cakequeen50 Posted 17 Jul 2013 , 11:11pm
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I get so irritated when brides want to get a fake cake with a cutting piece and sheet cakes in the back.

why do they do this??? someone is telling them that it is cheaper that way and you can save money.

Don't you still have to buy and decorate the styrofoam? I just don't get it.

 

How do you feel about it and what do you charge for fake wedding cakes?

 by the way, they do want to get the sheet cakes from me also.

 

is it just me???

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Norasmom Posted 17 Jul 2013 , 11:15pm
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I don't make wedding cakes, but if I did, I'd charge MORE for a styrofoam dummy cake because I want my cake to be eaten and it is NOT cheaper to make one.  The decorator is still having to form the decorations!

maybenot Posted 17 Jul 2013 , 11:24pm
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It's not a savings.  The standard is to charge 80% the cost of a real cake AND the full cost of the sheet cakes.

 

Now, if you have a completed dummy that you want to rent to them, maybe they can save a bit, but they have to take what you have so no custom colors, flowers, etc., and they have to pay a refundable damage deposit.  If it's returned with significant damage, then they lose that too.

ellavanilla Posted 17 Jul 2013 , 11:36pm
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Now, if you have a completed dummy that you want to rent to them, maybe they can save a bit, but they have to take what you have so no custom colors, flowers, etc., and they have to pay a refundable damage deposit.  If it's returned with significant damage, then they lose that to

 

right! there are hotels in Japan that have fake cakes with one space for a fresh slice and the rest in the back. but the bride doesn't get a custom design. 

 

not sure where they think the savings is.

cakefat Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 12:15am
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right! there are hotels in Japan that have fake cakes with one space for a fresh slice and the rest in the back. but the bride doesn't get a custom design. 

 

not sure where they think the savings is.

 

IMO- it's not really about savings when this happens in non Anglo-Saxon countries..it's more so about wedding cakes are not truly part of their culture to have/eat/serve wedding cake (especially in Asia)- so it doesn't have the same importance as it does to people in Canada/UK/USA/NZ/Australia etc etc...but it's trendy now and becoming more popular worldwide so a lot of brides are now wanting it- sort of.  

 

So a fake cake will do for them and just take a photo of slicing one piece of it...for the photos mainly.

 

I went to a wedding in the south of France last year...and they did the same thing..it's a new trend there as well- to have an actual Anglo-Saxon style wedding cake (instead of the croquembouche)....and boy was I disappointed to see that dusty mile high cake come out with the sparklers shooting off it's side... and nobody was served cake at all...it was just for show. 

scrumdiddlycakes Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 12:25am
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Around here there are a few places that charge a lot more to cut a stacked wedding cake than a kitchen cake. My dad is getting married next week, and it would cost them $3.50 per slice to have a stacked cake cut, but a kitchen cake is only $1.

I just did a wedding last week at a different location that was similar, $4 for a stacked cake, $2 for kitchen ones.

All the sudden that $300 cake is costing you $600+, it ticks me off when venues do that sort of stuff.

 

I've had a couple cakes that I insisted on doing dummy/kitchen cakes simply because the design was so complex. Priced out though, it's more expensive.

 

I think some bakers do it cheaper because stacking cakes scares them? 

kaylawaylalayla Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 12:36am
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AMaybe a r eason to order is that the cake needsnto be refrigerated until swrved but they still want to display during the whole reception

cakequeen50 Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 1:00am
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I will do a kitchen cake for $2.50 per slice and my wedding cakes start at $5 per slice, but my dummies are also begining at $2.50 per "slice".  i charge 50%, not 80%, so basically, it is the same price whichever way they go, not cheaper. I saw an article in a very nice wedding magazine and in the article by a well known, big city wedding planner, she said to save costs, get a kitchen cake and a dummy wedding cake, it could save you hundreds of dollars.....baloney!
 

howsweet Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 1:11am
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It's partly copy writers. People who write copy for magazines, blogs and websites have got to write copy. Many don't really care whether the content is accurate - they just want it  to be believable and entertaining to their audience.  And with this sort of thing they want to have the audience think they've learned something.

cakequeen50 Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 1:14am

There is not much work in a kitchen cake and there is construction, and decor in a wedding cake. that is why it is more for the stacked cake.

kitchen cake is plain, that's it.

cupadeecakes Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 1:21am
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Originally Posted by howsweet 

It's partly copy writers. People who write copy for magazines, blogs and websites have got to write copy. Many don't really care whether the content is accurate - they just want it  to be believable and entertaining to their audience.  And with this sort of thing they want to have the audience think they've learned something.

 

I agree wholeheartedly!  Especially articles on how brides can save big money on their wedding day.  I have had inquiries about "fake" cakes and I tell them my price is the same as real cake.  We all know the flour, butter, and eggs aren't the biggest cost, it's the time and expertise.  The styrofoam cost more then the raw cake ingredients.

Norasmom Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 1:23am

I think a new cake flavor is in order here for everyone's pricing list...  Styrofoam. 

Annabakescakes Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 1:54am

I have offered fake tiers for people wanting a more grand cake, but I wouldn't do a whole fake cake. Part of the artistry is that it is deconstructed and eaten, imho.

Smckinney07 Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 2:06am

AI'm getting married next year, even if I wasn't I've been known to go through Bridal magazines to see new cake trends. A gf of mine bought me that Bridal Bargains book (they make Baby Bargains, etc.) and it's plastered everywhere as a way to save money! It's the craziest thing I've ever heard of, thankfully it's not something I have been asked to do, I suppose I would do it if a customer asked but only if I was also preparing the sheet or 'kitchen cakes' simply because I wouldn't want my name or design associated with a Walmart sheet cake. But it would cost them more, not less, especially if it's a large wedding. It's more to transport & more hassle.

I am more than happy to work within someone's budget, I just wish the media would catch up. That's the last thing I would recommend to someone who needs help scaling down the price.

cakequeen50 Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 2:34am

Too funny Nora's mom!!!
 

hollyml Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 5:37am
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I will do a kitchen cake for $2.50 per slice and my wedding cakes start at $5 per slice, but my dummies are also begining at $2.50 per "slice". 
 

 

Maybe some influential writer or publisher (like the Bridal Bargains book) got confused about this at some point and then the error has just been replicated over and over again from there?

 

Thing is, ordering kitchen cake CAN save money -- but not if you have an elaborate dummy cake too!  The "standard" way of approaching this when I got married (many years ago) was to have a smaller tiered cake than you actually needed for the number of servings, and make up the difference with kitchen cake(s).  There is NO dummy cake involved.  Under cakequeen50's pricing scheme, for example, a four-tier decorated cake plus a simple kitchen cake WOULD cost less than a six-tier wedding cake with the same total number of servings.  For a big wedding it can be a significant savings, and the guests can't tell that an individual slice -- showing a one-inch wide strip of frosting -- came from a kitchen cake rather than a tiered cake.

 

Anyway, for those of you with brides asking about this, you might try explaining it that way.

 

Holly

cakequeen50 Posted 18 Jul 2013 , 4:44pm

Yes, I totally agree HollyML, and I will do kitchen cakes and a smaller wedding cake with no problem, it is when they want the styro cake and sheets to save money that irk me.

If a bride has 250 or more guests, I encourage kitchen cakes, this helps with delivery (heavy cakes) and it also helps the caterers trying to cut and serve  the cake like mad so quickly.
 

nikko5 Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 5:44am

I just started my fake cake business a couple of months ago in the southern part of New Jersey and I have to say people are blown away by how smart this idea is for those who want the fondant look but don't want it on the cake their guests are eating and those brides who are on a tight budget. I even get the brides to rent from me  even though their  buttercream wedding cake is included in their package. Why? because the hall will only give them the amount of tiers needed to feed their guests  as with me I'll give them as many as they want for a flat rate. I often rent out the same cake and offer the bride assistance to accessorize it with decorations that can be taken on & off the cake - however if they want to design a cake that has permanent piping work then this rental fee would be more than the one that could be easily modified. But  it would still be less than the hall would charge them for an upgrade on the style of their cake which again I 'm certain a bride would rather spend on a cake with more tiers than what the hall will give in their package or in an upgrade. I have one venue who decided to put my rentals in their package and how charges an up grade if they want the entire cake all real - He decided to do this because using my rental is more time efficient than having the staff hack away at those fondant tiers or dismantling a 4 +tier cake with wooden dowels etc. The place could ensure a much fresher tasting cake anyway! The rentals could be dropped off ahead of time when the weather is challenging with snowy streets and it's a lot easier to make room for sheet cakes is what he told me is the best asset to making me one of his vendors. I'm so excited to bring this concept to all the halls in my area - I'm also becoming a big hit with those Sweet 16 girls who want wedding cake styles for their cake as opposed to the sheet cake that comes with their banquet pkg. The parents are thrilled about this concept because renting my cakes gives them an affordable display or centerpiece they would never be able to afford real. It's my goal to mainstream this concept for all birthdays  not just milestone banquet hall events.  The b-day cake is the next most important thing at a party so why not rent a cake prop that goes with the theme of the party and just have a sheet cake waiting in the kitchen until the candles are blown out and it's time for cake! Why buy an ordinary cake or spend $$$$$ on a fancy cake when you could save by renting an amazing looking cake because at the end of the day the cake looks just like the real thing and you're still eating cake regardless of where it came from.

MBalaska Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 10:09am

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Originally Posted by Norasmom 
 

I think a new cake flavor is in order here for everyone's pricing list...  Styrofoam. 

:lol:  Norasmom, funny!

 

Nikko5: Well there's fake tans, fake boobs, fake nails, fake hair, fake smiles, rented tuxes and shoes, fake flowers, fake butter buttercream, so what the heck there's enough fake people to buy your fake cakes. Go ahead and post your business address and your website address, if you're real that is. Let's take a look at your great deals.

MimiFix Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 12:28pm

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Nikko5: ...Go ahead and post your business address and your website address, if you're real that is. Let's take a look at your great deals.

Nice call, MB!

-K8memphis Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 1:13pm

this is a great idea--dummy cake business--i have a few dozen dummies all ready myself...yes all vanilla styrofoam ;) currently gathering dust-- i just need to get my husband to roll out the fondant or get a sheeter--just any minute now--foam is easy to cut out--fondant not so easy to roll out--but yeah i'm all in--woulda had it going last year but i hit the wall with the arthritis--smh--i'm not going quiet  :lol: rahr

 

however 'doing cakes' is a permanent affliction   --

help i'm a lifelong caker and i can't get out :grin:

 

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cake dummy business is not just a brilliant idea--it's another nail in the coffin of the custom caker business--ouch

 

and these businesses all over the country and in canada at least

sarahgale314 Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 2:38pm

AWhere I live, the receptions tend to be "open house" style, and the bride and groom invite everyone they've ever met. For example, my niece just got married, and they invited 600 people to their open house reception. I made their cake for them, as a gift, just a smaller size 3 tier that made about 100 servings. Then, my mother in law (my niece's grandma) decided to use up all the old box cake mixes she had in her food storage, and made 900 mini cuocakes, with frosting she got from the grocery store bakery. Oh yeah, and she made them a week in advance. They were like dry rocks. She also bought 800 cookies from the grocery store and had those out on the buffet table. I was fristrated at the wedding, because by the time they cut the cake, and I took it back and cut it up, no one wanted any - they were full from cookies and nasty mini cupcakes. My cake was made with imported French chocolate, real orange zest... All the good stuff, and it went to waste. Another caking friend of mine had a similar situation when she did her sister's wedding cake. Anither relative bought store sheet cakes to serve throughout the open house, and her delicious homemade cake went to waste.

So, I thought next time I get asked to do an open house style reception cake, I will recommend a dummy cake to display, amd sheet cakes made by me to serve during the open house. I would charge the same ler serving as if it were a fully decorated wedding cake, because it's the same amount of work - you bake amd frost the sheet cakes, just as you would tiers, and then decorate the dummy tiers, just as if they were cake.

sixinarow Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 2:56pm

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cake dummy business is not just a brilliant idea--it's another nail in the coffin of the custom caker business--ouch

 

and these businesses all over the country and in canada at least

I don't think this will affect the CUSTOM cake business. My clients come to me to have me design a cake specifically for them, based off their dress, their custom invitations, their wedding and party designs. not to re-use an old design that has been displayed in multiple weddings in their area for months. It may be a help to chain stores or lower-end decorators who don't want to offer custom designed cakes, but I don't see it affecting the CUSTOM cake business. Dummy displays have been around for a long time, they might put a dent in the low-to-mid price range but there will always be people looking for unique cake designs and seek out decorators who can design as well as decorate. It's no different in concept than the places who "rent" wedding dresses so brides don't have to buy. They've been around a long time too, not going after the same clients.

-K8memphis Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by -K8memphis 

 

cake dummy business is not just a brilliant idea--it's another nail in the coffin of the custom caker business--ouch

 

and these businesses all over the country and in canada at least

I don't think this will affect the CUSTOM cake business. My clients come to me to have me design a cake specifically for them, based off their dress, their custom invitations, their wedding and party designs. not to re-use an old design that has been displayed in multiple weddings in their area for months. It may be a help to chain stores or lower-end decorators who don't want to offer custom designed cakes, but I don't see it affecting the CUSTOM cake business. Dummy displays have been around for a long time, they might put a dent in the low-to-mid price range but there will always be people looking for unique cake designs and seek out decorators who can design as well as decorate. It's no different in concept than the places who "rent" wedding dresses so brides don't have to buy. They've been around a long time too, not going after the same clients.

 

wow not a high opinion of peeps who do dummy cakes-- lots of high end cakers do dummies for big money customers and fill in with servings in undecorated cake and i've seen it advertised this way too--of course it's another nail in the coffin to me--especially because it is becoming more acceptable--i've also heard that it has longtime been common in japan in extravagantly decorated cake dummies especially at the very high dollar weddings-

 

and i believe there's tons of clients wanting to save a buck this way--sure there's the ones who want CUSTOM cakes but it's a newer option as a business and it surely does draw from the whole cake spectrum--where else would it come from--top to bottom

 

yes there'll always be a market for boutique cake shops but with the influx of more & more cottage laws business is not getting any easier -- so you might not see it but the dummy thing is going to impact imo--in fact you might even want to embrace it--if you are trying to make money--if you are able to be artsy and this is a side line because you are supported elsewhere then you can make other choices--

 

and as far as a tipping point this market does not have much more to go to get there--

costumeczar Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 3:43pm

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Originally Posted by MBalaska 
 

:lol:  Norasmom, funny!

 

Nikko5: Well there's fake tans, fake boobs, fake nails, fake hair, fake smiles, rented tuxes and shoes, fake flowers, fake butter buttercream, so what the heck there's enough fake people to buy your fake cakes. Go ahead and post your business address and your website address, if you're real that is. Let's take a look at your great deals.

 

yeah, this is not a new concept. If you want to rent a dummy then serve supermarket cake to your guests to save $20 be my guest, that person isn't my customer anyway. There would also be a market for people who want to rent a huge setup of fake food, then serve Chik Fil a nuggets for the "real" food.

 

I would also love to see the website for this business.

-K8memphis Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 3:50pm

the dummy cake i saw in japan was srsly over the top--the dummy cake business sites i've seen in america/canada are not the high end designs--

sixinarow Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by -K8memphis 
 

 

wow not a high opinion of peeps who do dummy cakes-- lots of high end cakers do dummies for big money customers and fill in with servings in undecorated cake and i've seen it advertised this way too--of course it's another nail in the coffin to me--especially because it is becoming more acceptable--i've also heard that it has longtime been common in japan in extravagantly decorated cake dummies especially at the very high dollar weddings-

 

and i believe there's tons of clients wanting to save a buck this way--sure there's the ones who want CUSTOM cakes but it's a newer option as a business and it surely does draw from the whole cake spectrum--where else would it come from--top to bottom

 

yes there'll always be a market for boutique cake shops but with the influx of more & more cottage laws business is not getting any easier -- so you might not see it but the dummy thing is going to impact imo--in fact you might even want to embrace it--if you are trying to make money--if you are able to be artsy and this is a side line because you are supported elsewhere then you can make other choices--

 

and as far as a tipping point this market does not have much more to go to get there--

Whoa, back it up and put the knife down! Geez K8 LOL! The dummy cake concept was mentioned as a way for clients to SAVE money on wedding cakes. If you are hiring a high end designer, you are NOT saving money having them decorate a dummy cake, most of the expense is in the decorating. I embrace dummies, it allows a creative outlet to try new techniques or build a unique portfolio or have stylized magazine shoots. These are 2 separate things you are talking about. Dummies to "save" on the cost of wedding cake prices are not going to be highly stylized and custom deisgned dummies are going to be as (or almost) as expensive as a real cake -- totally different things. If I have a client who wants a dummy cake all stylized -- AWESOME -- I'd do it in a heartbeat and offer kitchen cakes for the servings. But saying it's "another nail in the coffin of custom cake business" is a little far-fetched. The client who wants rock bottom prices, is not my client and I don't think it's having a "low" opinion of chain stores who use dummies. I shop at discount stores and I know there's a limit to what they can offer.  I don't have to agree with your thinking or you with mine. It gets a little old having you jump down everyones throat who isn't as "nice" as you think they should be only to have you bite anyone else who doesn't agree with your opinion. Little bit of a double standard there, and just because YOU read more into what I said doesn't mean I meant it that way.

kmanning Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:14pm

AMy brother and his wife had a 7 tier wedding cake, 5 tiers were styrofoam and the bottom 2 were cake. They only were charged 150 for the cake! Really cheap! All hand piped buttercream cake, I didn't eat any but people said that it was a little dry. The cake really was well done. I was just shocked that I paid more for my daughters 8"-6" birthday cake than they did for a wedding cake.

Godot Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:16pm

AI like Chik-Fil-A. Or however it's spelled. I used to like it anyway - I haven't had it in more than 20 years but they had an awesome breakfast biscuit. I always used to have that when I worked at Regency Square mall.

kikiandkyle Posted 23 Jan 2014 , 4:22pm

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My brother and his wife had a 7 tier wedding cake, 5 tiers were styrofoam and the bottom 2 were cake. They only were charged 150 for the cake! Really cheap! All hand piped buttercream cake, I didn't eat any but people said that it was a little dry. The cake really was well done. I was just shocked that I paid more for my daughters 8"-6" birthday cake than they did for a wedding cake.

And the baker that made their cake probably paid themselves $1 an hour to make it. You paid more because that baker probably went broke and wised up to the fact that they were giving away cake. It's not what's underneath the buttercream that costs the most.

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