hungarygreek Posted 3 May 2013 , 11:34pm

AHi all,

I have baked a lot in my life but am new to decorating and could really do with some help, I'm making my daughter a two tier cake for her 5th birthday in 2 weeks, I have promised to make an icing crown as the topper! I've make up some royal icing as per directions on the box but it just is too wet so runs and bleeds, does anyone know what I can do to rectify this so I get the consistency that comes out almost tube like- thick and smooth holding together- please? Also I think the crown I've chosen is far too intricate so would anyone have a template that's not too testing for a first timer please. I love this site it's kept me very busy recently, lol.

Thanks all in advance

Emily

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Embles Posted 3 May 2013 , 11:52pm

AI would scrap the royal icing mate (im in es***). My advice if itd a tiara that will stand on top of the cake? Go buy fondant and gum trag. What you can do is add the gum trag to the fondant design it in a flat surface do the cut out bits etc and then stand it and support it round something round standing up abd keave it to dry. What the gum trag dies is nake the fondant det hard. I find it much eadier to work with than royal ivibg mine never cones awsy from the surface in 1 piece!!!! Once your fondant is dry and standing up ( leave it fir at leadt 24 hrs) you can paint it dilver/gokd or with shiny lustre dusts to make it princessey. I have a 4 yr old daughter obsessed with princessyness I feel ur pain ha

hungarygreek Posted 3 May 2013 , 11:58pm

ASorry to sound dumb but what's gum trag? Also if I do it with thin fondant won't it just wrinkle downwards as its drying? Thank you so much for replying

hungarygreek Posted 4 May 2013 , 12:05am

AOh and wouldn't you make your own fondant? I've used ready made before but was hoping to make my own this tome or am I being too ambitious?

kazita Posted 4 May 2013 , 12:15am

AUse gumpaste and fondant a half and half mix You can find gumpaste at michaels, hobby lobby or joann fabrics . Use a coupon to get 40% off the gumpaste

Embles Posted 4 May 2013 , 12:22am

ADo whatever you feel more comfy with you know what you gind eadier to work with. Sre you wanting a round crown or galf tiara type thing? With either if you cut thin but not oaper thin then it will stand up without falling over. Gum trag is powder ygat you kneed into fondant and it makes it act like tge stuff tgey make sugar flowers from. If you kneed in a couple of teaspoons to pre made or home made fondant it will make it harden up really quickly, if you stand it round a bowl or vase or something and tye it ir stick it with glue or water it will go rock hard. Search gum trag on here and it will give you an idea of what it does. I only discovered it a couple of months ago but ysed it fir my fliwers in my profile pic, it allows you to go really thin and delicate and still dry rock hardxxx good luck

kazita Posted 4 May 2013 , 1:42am

AHere's a video on how to make a tiara, you could color your fondant/gumpaste mixture s pretty color before making it that way you don't have to worry about airbrushing it. It will be very fragile so be careful with it.

m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=DOm2adPgMs4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDOm2adPgMs4

kazita Posted 4 May 2013 , 2:23am

AThis thread talks about using tylose to harden fondant

cakecentral.com/t/700654/can-i-make-gumpaste-using-fondant-and-gum-tragacanth

soledad Posted 4 May 2013 , 2:36am

Hi Hungarygreek... I hope this link helps you. The person is using a Wilton Mold. She says she only use fondant, but I would do it 50/50 fondant/ gumpaste.

 

http://www.deleukstetaarten.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?id=218714

 

 

Good luckthumbs_up.gif!

 

CIAO!

hungarygreek Posted 4 May 2013 , 6:39am

AWow thanks for the responses everyone I'll do some research tonight and see which will give me the tiara effect I'm looking for again thank you all xx

mariets Posted 4 May 2013 , 9:15am
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Originally Posted by Embles 

I would scrap the royal icing mate (im in es***). My advice if itd a tiara that will stand on top of the cake? Go buy fondant and gum trag. What you can do is add the gum trag to the fondant design it in a flat surface do the cut out bits etc and then stand it and support it round something round standing up abd keave it to dry. What the gum trag dies is nake the fondant det hard. I find it much eadier to work with than royal ivibg mine never cones awsy from the surface in 1 piece!!!! Once your fondant is dry and standing up ( leave it fir at leadt 24 hrs) you can paint it dilver/gokd or with shiny lustre dusts to make it princessey. I have a 4 yr old daughter obsessed with princessyness I feel ur pain ha

Did the filter remove the last three letters in Es***.

hungarygreek Posted 4 May 2013 , 9:30am

AThank you have watched it, very helpful

hungarygreek Posted 4 May 2013 , 9:33am

AHi thank you this looks more like I was hoping for but I don't have a mould and am on a tight budget, however I will keep it in mind for future ref even though I don't speak or read German lol

hungarygreek Posted 4 May 2013 , 9:34am

ADo we have these shops in the uk?

hungarygreek Posted 4 May 2013 , 9:37am

AOk thanks will do, do you use shop bought or make your own sugar paste? What's your preference?

Embles Posted 4 May 2013 , 10:14am

AYes it wont let me say im from ess ex ha ha. Hungary greek - I am uk baded and have a cake shop in the next town I always by fondant from tescos in a 1 kilo pack and then colour it (unless I want a really bright colour and then ikl buy pre coloured) the pots of tylose ir gum trag are about 2 quid and you only need a coupke of pinches. If its a tiara you could just drape it over a 2ltr bottle of coke layibg down and it would dry like that and wouldnt need to stand up while softxx

hungarygreek Posted 4 May 2013 , 10:20am

AThank you so much I usually buy Pre made in tesco but was hoping to be clever and make my own but I suppose I was being a bit too ambitious lol. Thanks you've been a great help. Out of curiosity does it dry faster with the powder giving you less time to work with it? Do you let it rest after adding the powder before designing?

hungarygreek Posted 4 May 2013 , 10:21am

AOh and do you know of anywhere we can buy fondant and supplies wholesale? Or don't those places exist in uk? X

Embles Posted 4 May 2013 , 11:29am

AI think they do exist but I havent hot a clue best do some googling ha There are diff types of gum trag and sometimes tylose powder. The synthetic one works more or less straight away and dies give yiu alot less time cis it starts drying out in contact with air. Work some in and wrap the fondant in cling film if ut dries out too much then you can add a smidge if trex (veg fat tescos do it) and it loosens back up again. Once youve got the basic shape and it sets u vould always pipe a bit mire detsil on top with riyal icing. Ill tell you what else is goid fir princess cakes, in tesco the do a spray cake pearly colour in gold and silver for 3 ir 4 quid stand back and di an even mist and the cake looks beautiful. Xx can you pist pics when ur finished plea***xx

Embles Posted 4 May 2013 , 11:31am

AMy spelling is atrocious. Touch phone and nit enough proof reading lol

hungarygreek Posted 4 May 2013 , 11:38am

AThanks so much, yeah I have trex and I spotted the spray so will grab that. I'll be sure to post pics up

hungarygreek Posted 18 May 2013 , 6:24pm

AHey I just want to say thanks for all the help, the cake pics are in my photos I can't add them to this thread for some reason, The tiara I made was broken by little fingers fiddling whilst it was drying. I hope you like it guys xxxxxx

Snowflakebunny23 Posted 18 May 2013 , 9:17pm

AHope it all went well! Re the specialist shops, you will find some bits in hobbycraft/Lakeland but for the powders, you will probably need a specialist. They are normally independents and in my experience, run by very experienced but slightly older ladies who aren't all that web savvy so finding them online usually isn't that easy! I know of ones in Manchester, Swindon, Gloucester, Nottingham, north Cornwall and London (places i have lived!) so if you're near any if them, let me know and ill send you the details for any future projects. There are a few really good online shops but they don't have gum trag etc usually! :-)

daisyfgw Posted 19 May 2013 , 7:14pm

Hi :)
This might be late but this video helped me loads when i was doing crowns/tiara's etc

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hungarygreek Posted 19 May 2013 , 7:42pm

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Original message sent by Snowflakebunny23

Hope it all went well! Re the specialist shops, you will find some bits in hobbycraft/Lakeland but for the powders, you will probably need a specialist. They are normally independents and in my experience, run by very experienced but slightly older ladies who aren't all that web savvy so finding them online usually isn't that easy! I know of ones in Manchester, Swindon, Gloucester, Nottingham, north Cornwall and London (places i have lived!) so if you're near any if them, let me know and ill send you the details for any future projects. There are a few really good online shops but they don't have gum trag etc usually! :-)

Thank you ill have a look, I'm London based, well Middle*** actually.

hungarygreek Posted 19 May 2013 , 7:45pm

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Original message sent by daisyfgw

Hi :)

This might be late but this video helped me loads when i was doing crowns/tiara's etc [URL=


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Hi thanks but it's too late pictures of the cake I made are in my pictures... Those crowns are great for cup cakes but I needed mine a whole lot bigger which I achieved but my children broke it.. Sad face

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