laneybug Posted 24 Mar 2013 , 5:13pm
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AHere is a copycat recipe I found for my favorite store-bakery buttercream frosting. It tastes great, but it does NOT dry, and when you clean up your fork, etc. it feels like it was recently dipped into Crisco, not frosting. I'd like to use it on my daughter's first birthday cake, but there is no way to decorate with this stuff. Any suggestions on how I can fix it to make it usable? Like I said it really is delicious.

Ingredients

1/2 pounds butter 2 cups Crisco Vegetable Shortening 1 teaspoon vanilla extract 1 teaspoon butter flavoring 1/2 teaspoon almond extract 2 pounds confectioners sugar 1/4 teaspoon salt 1 tablespoon meringue powder 1 tablespoon milk if needed Instructions

Mix butter, Crisco, and salt together on low speed for 5 minutes. Add vanilla, butter flavor, and almond extract, beat until well blended. Turn mixer off and add meringue powder and 1/2 confectioners sugar. Turn mixer on the slowest speed the mixer has, add remaining confectioners sugar 1/2 cup at a time until the sugar is mixed in. Turn mixer up to medium and beat until smooth and creamy, this should take about 5 minutes.

Meringue powder and butter flavoring can be found where cake decorating supplies are sold. The recipe can be made without these two ingredients, but the icing tastes better if you use the butter flavoring, and the icing with hold its shape better with the meringue powder.

I highly recommend sifting your confectioners sugar before using, sifting eliminates those clumps that sometimes form in the confectioners sugar. Once you have sifted the confectioners sugar it blends together better than unsifted confectioners sugar. If you don't have a sifter you can use a regular colander, it works well.

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kazita Posted 24 Mar 2013 , 6:15pm
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AI believe you have to much fat ( shortening and butter ) in your recipe for it to crust. My recipe has 2 cups shortening no butter. I also use high ratio shortening not cisco.

kazita Posted 24 Mar 2013 , 6:34pm
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AHigh ratio shortening makes a world of difference taste wise , you can buy it from a cake supply store or online it is a bit pricy but well worth it. Looking at your recipe if you cut back on the fat you will need to add liquid , one tablespoon milk probably won't be enough I use heavy wipping cream in my recipe

laneybug Posted 24 Mar 2013 , 9:13pm
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ACrisco isn't shortening? What's high ratio? Would that make it better, or would I need to change more things?

kazita Posted 24 Mar 2013 , 9:42pm
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ASorry to confuse you . Yes criso is shortening but in my opinion its gross, makes things greasy . High ratio shortening makes buttercream fuffy and creamy and well yummy. The recipe you put here has to much fat in it it well probably never crust but if you remove some of the fat it needs liquid in it . Your recipe here is close to mine with a few changes . I use 2 teaspoons vanilla and 2 tablespoons meringue power. But I only use 2 cups shortening and no butter so I have to add in liquid I add in a half cup heavy whipping cream. Here's my recipe

2cups high ratio shortening 2 pounds powered sugar 2 teaspoons vanilla extract 2 teaspoons butter flavoring 2 tablespoons meringue power 1/2 cup to start with heavy whipping cream A pinch of salt

This makes a stiff buttercream you will need to add more cream in a tablespoon at a time mixing it in to get the consistently you want. slice-heaven.com/store/show/HRS77320 you can buy high ratio shortening online its pricey but I think worth it. You can also use criso but I personally hate criso.

kazita Posted 24 Mar 2013 , 10:01pm
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AIf you have a cake supply store by you they would probably carry high ratio shortening not a michaels or a hobby lobby they don't carry it.

laneybug Posted 24 Mar 2013 , 10:12pm
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AThank you! I'll give it a try. I made the above recipe twice already thinking maybe I did something wrong. The second time I omitted the almond extract. I hate almond extract... So yours sounds better already. ;)

kazita Posted 24 Mar 2013 , 10:18pm
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Ayou're welcome and I too hate almond extract

laneybug Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 2:48am
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Original message sent by kazita

Sorry to confuse you . Yes criso is shortening but in my opinion its gross, makes things greasy . High ratio shortening makes buttercream fuffy and creamy and well yummy. The recipe you put here has to much fat in it it well probably never crust but if you remove some of the fat it needs liquid in it . Your recipe here is close to mine with a few changes . I use 2 teaspoons vanilla and 2 tablespoons meringue power. But I only use 2 cups shortening and no butter so I have to add in liquid I add in a half cup heavy whipping cream. Here's my recipe

2cups high ratio shortening 2 pounds powered sugar 2 teaspoons vanilla extract 2 teaspoons butter flavoring 2 tablespoons meringue power 1/2 cup to start with heavy whipping cream A pinch of salt

This makes a stiff buttercream you will need to add more cream in a tablespoon at a time mixing it in to get the consistently you want. slice-heaven.com/store/show/HRS77320 you can buy high ratio shortening online its pricey but I think worth it. You can also use criso but I personally hate criso.

Tried this recipe tonight and it crusted perfectly. However, my husband said that he prefers the sweetness of my original recipe. This one is much, much sweeter. I'm wondering how to get the less sweet of the original with the crusting ability of this one...

kazita Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 3:01am

ABy adding in more salt that will cut some of the sweetness and I can't remember what the other thing was I want to say alittle tiny bit of lemon juice I might be wrong see if anyone else says anything. Did you use high ratio shortening that changes the taste for the better by leaps and bounds

laneybug Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 10:41am

ANot yet. Thought i would try it with what I have first. The only problem for us really was the sweetness. Not sure if HR helps that? I'll try more salt next time. Is if ok to add more sale after you've already mixed it all and it's fluffy? I feel like it won't blend well.

AnnieCahill Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 11:23am

Use all butter, and while you're creaming it, add popcorn salt.  It's finer so it will dissolve better.  You can also use a little bit of lemon juice.  You won't taste the lemon, but the acidity will cut the sweetness a little.

 

Just because it doesn't crust doesn't mean you can't decorate with it.  My recipe doesn't crust and I use it for everything.  You just have to get used to icing with a flat scraper instead of going over the base coat with a paper towel to smooth it. 

 

I don't add meringue powder and I only use a bit of shortening if it's really hot.  High ratio is good, but it's expensive and it is NOT a 1:1 substitute in recipes calling for regular Crisco.  Don't make that mistake!  Your buttercream will be almost chewy if you substitute 1:1.  If you do use high ratio you need to use a recipe specifically formulated for that kind of shortening. I would use all butter.  If you cream it long enough it will turn white.  I cream mine for about 15 minutes with the salt before adding any sugar or flavorings.

kazita Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 1:32pm

AThe recipe I gave you I use high ratio shortening and it works out great not chewy at all it turns out very light and creamy and fluffy. I thought about telling you to use butter but again you would be right back to your original problem of it not crusting. I would imagine butter would taste good but it doesn't crust . You can use popcorn salt and lemon juice to cut some of the sweetness in the recipe I gave you. I've never tried adding salt after its been all mixed together not sure what that would do

AnnieCahill Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 3:48pm

To get it to crust, all she would need to do is add more sugar or reduce the fat/liquid in her regular recipe.  Crusting is based on the ratio of sugar to fat, not the type of fat used.  In the past I have used crusting all-butter recipes.  When I was talking about the chewiness I was referring to replacing high ratio 1:1 in a regular buttercream recipe.  Once I tried Indydebi's recipe with high ratio and it was awful.  If your recipe is already formulated for high ratio I'm sure it's fine.  Other decorators have complained about the texture in the past when replacing shortening 1:1 in their normal BC recipe.  There is some tweaking involved.  I just prefer butter because it's not shortening, LOL.  Butter also tastes way better in my opinion. 

 

I think the doors would open for a lot of people, taste-wise, if they could learn to use a non-crusting buttercream. 

Claire138 Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 4:00pm

Do you think it would be possible to use margarine instead of shortening or butter?

We don't get shortening here (Paris, France) and I don't use butter bc I'm Jewish and don't use milk ingredients unless making a specific cheese cake (I have 2 ovens). I usually use margarine with no trouble, the recipe I use is margarine, icing sugar, soy milk, vanilla pudding and I usually add some lemon essence to cut the sweetness, however, your recipe sounds really good and although I'm very happy with mine I'd love to try a new one.

Oh and I always add some vodka to get rid of the margarine taste.

kazita Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 4:54pm

AI really can't answer the margarine question other than to say that I know its way different than real butter and I have absolutely no idea how it would react in making the recipe I posted.

AnnieCahill Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 4:55pm

I didn't know Jewish people couldn't use butter.  I thought it was just pork products. 

 

I'm sure you can use margarine, although I never have.  I think there is one person here or on the Wilton forum who uses a combo of margarine and shortening.  I don't know why you couldn't use margarine if you wanted to.  What I would do is use all margarine, cream that for a good 15 minutes with popcorn salt, then add whatever extracts and flavorings you like.  I use at least 3 TABLESPOONS of vanilla extract and then lemon juice-usually around 3 or 4 teaspoons.  I add icing sugar to taste (you can PM me if you want specific measurements).  I use a lot of liquid because I like mine on the softer side for easier smoothing.  That's what allows me to use the scraper so easily for smoothing the sides.  It's like a stiff whipped cream. 

 

I also make Italian meringue buttercream, but that would probably be out for you since it's an egg/butter combo. 

Claire138 Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 4:58pm

Thanks for the replies, we can use butter (I eat it all the time) just that we don't mix meat and milk and bc most of my clients are Jewish and I don't know if they will be eating the cake with a meat meal or not I just make it what we call Parve (neither meat or milk) ingredients. Hence the 2 ovens.

 

I'll definitely PM you for specifics, thanks again!

kazita Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 5:15pm

ALaneybug if you want to try cutting the sweetness I think you should add some lemon juice a teaspoon at a time just add it one teaspoon mix taste and if it's still to sweet add another teaspoon and mix and taste just be careful to much and its gonna have a lemony taste to it.

AnnieCahill Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 5:27pm

OOOHHH I understand now.  I never understood the Parve thing but now I get it.  Thanks for explaining that!

 

When I use lemon juice, I add about three teaspoons.  If you add too much it will just be kind of tangy.  I use the lemon juice in combination with popcorn salt and it really tones down the sweetness.

laneybug Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 5:35pm

AI'll give it a try! Maybe I'll also try adding more sugar to mine to see if that crusts it up at all! Thanks! :)

kvand Posted 29 Mar 2013 , 5:56pm

I use all butter in my buttercream recipe because I HATE Crisco.  I have never tried any recipes with high ratio shortening... mostly because once I developed the recipe I am using I was super happy with it.  It does not crust at all but I love it! It goes on super smoothly and is light and fluffy and my clients like that it doesn't crust. It takes some practice to get it on smooth but in Canada we can't get the smooth paper towels for smoothing anyway (unless we order from out of country and that gets pricey!)

BakingIrene Posted 30 Mar 2013 , 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by laneybug 

Here is a copycat recipe I found for my favorite store-bakery buttercream frosting. It tastes great, but it does NOT dry, and when you clean up your fork, etc. it feels like it was recently dipped into Crisco, not frosting. I'd like to use it on my daughter's first birthday cake, but there is no way to decorate with this stuff. Any suggestions on how I can fix it to make it usable? Like I said it really is delicious.


Ingredients

1/2 pounds butter
2 cups Crisco Vegetable Shortening
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
1 teaspoon butter flavoring
1/2 teaspoon almond extract
2 pounds confectioners sugar
1/4 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon meringue powder
1 tablespoon milk if needed
Instructions

Mix butter, Crisco, and salt together on low speed for 5 minutes. Add vanilla, butter flavor, and almond extract, beat until well blended. Turn mixer off and add meringue powder and 1/2 confectioners sugar. Turn mixer on the slowest speed the mixer has, add remaining confectioners sugar 1/2 cup at a time until the sugar is mixed in. Turn mixer up to medium and beat until smooth and creamy, this should take about 5 minutes.
 
This recipe would also have a good cup of liquid if I were mixing it. Liquid like cream, nondairy creamer, corn syrup, liqueur with alcohol, maple syrup, sour cream...take your pick.
BakingIrene Posted 30 Mar 2013 , 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by Claire138 

Do you think it would be possible to use margarine instead of shortening or butter?

We don't get shortening here (Paris, France) and I don't use butter bc I'm Jewish and don't use milk ingredients unless making a specific cheese cake (I have 2 ovens). I usually use margarine with no trouble, the recipe I use is margarine, icing sugar, soy milk, vanilla pudding and I usually add some lemon essence to cut the sweetness, however, your recipe sounds really good and although I'm very happy with mine I'd love to try a new one.

Oh and I always add some vodka to get rid of the margarine taste.

Margarine is fine for icing.  My only trouble with it is that some brands are exceptionally salty, so you would add salt only if really called for at the end.

 

You can also simply cut down the sugar to keep the icing from tasting too sweet.  Leave out 1/4 of the sugar and see how it spreads--the vanilla pudding will give it a good consistency anyway.

Claire138 Posted 30 Mar 2013 , 8:31pm

Annie, I have made SMBC with margarine multiple times with no problem (apart from one time I added too much colouring and flavour and ended up with a disaster best not thought abouticon_lol.gif). Anyway, you mention I probably wouldn't be able to make IMBC which although I've never tried I wonder what the difference would be considering I've made SMBC with success. Any thoughts?

AnnieCahill Posted 31 Mar 2013 , 11:49am

There wouldn't be any difference really.  The difference is in the preparation.  With IMBC you just add sugar syrup to the meringue to cook the egg whites.  If SMBC worked with margarine then I'm sure you would be fine to use it with IMBC.  I think at the time, I was wondering about using eggs and butter together in an icing.  But I was confused about the dietary restrictions, LOL.

laneybug Posted 31 Mar 2013 , 9:48pm

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Original message sent by kazita

Sorry to confuse you . Yes criso is shortening but in my opinion its gross, makes things greasy . High ratio shortening makes buttercream fuffy and creamy and well yummy. The recipe you put here has to much fat in it it well probably never crust but if you remove some of the fat it needs liquid in it . Your recipe here is close to mine with a few changes . I use 2 teaspoons vanilla and 2 tablespoons meringue power. But I only use 2 cups shortening and no butter so I have to add in liquid I add in a half cup heavy whipping cream. Here's my recipe

2cups high ratio shortening 2 pounds powered sugar 2 teaspoons vanilla extract 2 teaspoons butter flavoring 2 tablespoons meringue power 1/2 cup to start with heavy whipping cream A pinch of salt

This makes a stiff buttercream you will need to add more cream in a tablespoon at a time mixing it in to get the consistently you want. slice-heaven.com/store/show/HRS77320 you can buy high ratio shortening online its pricey but I think worth it. You can also use criso but I personally hate criso.

So, the night I tried this recipe, it was too sweet. However, the next day it had, in fact, become less sweet on its own. Is this normal for buttercream?

I'm wondering if it's smart for me to make the cake a day or two before and just leave it out on the counter. Is that ok?

kazita Posted 31 Mar 2013 , 10:11pm

AI have had people tell me that this buttercream recipe becomes less sweet the day after making it, it is completely fine to make your cake a day or two ahead of time and leave it out on the counter. My family prefers our cakes cold but I have left the cake out of the frig before.

kazita Posted 31 Mar 2013 , 10:11pm

AI have had people tell me that this buttercream recipe becomes less sweet the day after making it, it is completely fine to make your cake a day or two ahead of time and leave it out on the counter. My family prefers our cakes cold but I have left the cake out of the frig before.

kazita Posted 31 Mar 2013 , 10:11pm

AI have had people tell me that this buttercream recipe becomes less sweet the day after making it, it is completely fine to make your cake a day or two ahead of time and leave it out on the counter. My family prefers our cakes cold but I have left the cake out of the frig before.

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