Another Day, Need More Advice! Wedding Cake Batter Mess.

Baking By lvtig1 Updated 21 Mar 2013 , 3:10am by denetteb

-K8memphis Posted 16 Mar 2013 , 12:33am
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Originally Posted by lvtig1 

I am LOL!  You are so right about I should have tried the recipes ahead of time.  YES!!  YES!  YES!!!   I am taking a much needed break, so here goes my story.....


Non-cake info:  

We had three months to plan a wedding that we are doing EVERYTHING ourselves other than some grilled chicken being delivered at dinner.  (smallest of budgets!)   We found a wedding dress for a great price, but it needed to be altered.  Sewing is what I love.  Not clothes sewing so much, but quilts.  Anyhow, I am comfortable with a needle, so I offered to alter and hem it.  Also, to save more, I offered and made a cathedral veil and added lace by hand around the entire length.  It needed something more, so I added over 1000 small pearls, each one sewn by hand.  I love this kind of sewing, so it was a complete joy to do. I then had some lace left so added some around the waist with more pearls.  


Some cake info:  

Also during this time, I watched dozens upon dozens of youtube videos about cake decorating and making/stacking wedding cakes as well as taught myself how to make gum-paste roses.  I thought making gum-paste flowers would be good, since I could do them ahead of time.  I made 40 roses of various sizes on toothpicks and dozens of drop flowers and also learned to make marshmallow fondant that I used to make the gum paste.  I also decided to make some leaves out of gum paste too, so had to figure those out.  And in the middle of all this cake stuff, I decided my daughter needed a bustle on her wedding dress, so I had to research that and sew that, too. 


I kept thinking I should at least TRY a small cake, but just could not get the energy.  We don't eat a lot of sweets here, so I just could not get up the energy to make icing and cake for practice only.  I was just too tired and then ran out of time.  Besides, I have cooked for over 40 years and used to make decorated cakes 30+ years ago.  I would remember, right?  How hard could it be?  HA!  Ummmmmm...  icon_cool.gif  I now feel like this whole wedding cake project was a huge undertaking that was way over my head, especially considering everything else I am doing.  Oh, and my 88 year old mother needed her clothes altered... etc, etc, etc... icon_smile.gif


I would advise anyone considering making a wedding cake as their first project that you MUST do at least one small cake using all your needed skills so you could work out the kinks.  Thank God for you all here.  I only had one major meltdown and it was today, when my elderly mother was scolding me (I am in my 60's) for not taking a break and not eating lunch.  Seriously?  LOL!  I was over the edge!  I had to apologize later.  


Seriously, you here have been my saving grace and my lifeline.  Otherwise, I might have gone completely berserk.  I really did not anticipate these kind of problems.  Who knew?  I tell you what!  I have such respect now for bakers that do this for a living.  Holy cow!!  I bow down to you!  thumbs_up.gif  I praise your patience, your time, your understanding.  I wish I could take you all out for lunch!  Please, if you come to my area in southern CA, contact me and we can do lunch!!



omg you totally crack me up!!!


today was your only major meltdown--wednesday & thursday were just minor ones???  icon_lol.gif


and the cakes baking over and the smoke--that was not meltdown-ish either ;)


how much ativan did you take???


grilfriend, i wanted some ativan!!!


all day i was waiting to hear from you--no news is good news i kept thinking


and i also kept thinking (wrongly) that i'm so glad there are no fillings--thank god for that


all she's gotta do it plop it all together and good to go


then you pop up with fresh strawberries my stomach did a few flips


omg--i can't believe all the sewing you have done!!!


what a wonderful wedding day ambiance you have created, the cake, the dress, the one thousand pearls and veil and alterations and wow i'm sure there's more but how beyond sweet!!!! all the studying and taught yourself flowers for your girl--(you made me cry) way way way too cool


no wonder you said "I kept thinking I should at least TRY a small cake, but just could not get the energy." yah think?!


and do get a nice big glass of water and stay hydrated--listen to your mom!!! and eat right tomorrow--weddings take a ton of energy out of you


and have the most wonderful day tomorrow--will be thinking of you all


did you get the dowel in ok???

-K8memphis Posted 16 Mar 2013 , 12:52am
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it will be easier for your husband to carry if you could find any kind of box maybe??


but if he's got it ok--that's cool


but a 24" bottom board that's kind of unweildy

lvtig1 Posted 16 Mar 2013 , 2:00am
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You are also too funny!  The mess in the oven I thought I handled pretty well, thanks to YOU!    (and mom's Ativan!  he he he!)  Panicking is NOT a meltdown.  A meltdown is actual tears.   I only cried once and that was today, thank you very much!  icon_smile.gif All the doweling is in place and I also used 3 pointed bamboo sticks to hold the two tiers together.  I still have to put on borders and flowers in the morning, and help my daughter make bouquets.  And then there is the decorating where the reception is held.  It just goes on and on.  Seriously, PM me when you get a chance, K8Memphis!  I would like to mail you something after the cake crumbs settle.... 


Oh, and I took your advice.  Had hubby cut the board down to 20"!  Much easier to handle.

denetteb Posted 16 Mar 2013 , 3:48am
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Ivtig, you are something else.  I hope your daughter realizes what a dear, giving woman her mother is.  I know  mine wouldn't have done a tiny bit of what you have done.  It does explain a lot, although I have to say that there are a lot of cakers who are just as unprepared as you but don't have near as good of a reason as you do.  So now in addition to posting a finished cake pic I would love to see a pic of the dress and maybe one of you and your daughter.  That may be pushing it but I would love to see the dress you remade, even if there aren't any faces showing.  I don't normally look at the gallery pics but would love to see one on this thread, hopefully it would be allowed since it relates to this thread, the dress I mean.  I thought earlier in the week that it would be simpler to just go over and give you a hand but I am in MN.  I will be eagerly awaiting more updates.  Hope it is all smooth sailing now, although you still have a lot ahead of you. 

ivys5652 Posted 16 Mar 2013 , 8:50am
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OK the baking is done YEA.  Frost each layer, if one layer is thicker place that one on the bottom. when filling the cake make sure to place your bead of icing about 1/4 inch from the edge so that when pressed together the icing will come to the edge of the cake. Once you have them iced. Take the clean next size smaller pan upside down; and center it on the bottom tier  the rim will give you a guide circle for placement of your rods. The rods should be 1/4 inch in from the rim circle I usually use 12 roded in a 14 in cake. Remember they need to be even with the cake not to high. Now what I do is take flaked coconut and spread inside the circle. This will make the cake easier to serve. Once your second one is  stacked. Mark where your plate will go repeat the inverted pan and coconut. But before placing the divider plate  cut a dowel 1/4 shorter then your 2 tiers. sharpen one end with a pencil sharpener; take the pointed end and push to the first cardboard then tap with a small hammer sending the dowel into the bottom layer, push all the way down as this secures the cake for transportation. I freeze my cakes at for least 2 hrs before icing as this helps the
with the handling of the big tiers.


When you do your next big cake I suggest that when you are baking your cakes that you strip the outside of the pans. Whet I do is buy a heavy weight towel cut into 3" high strips, make smiling faces at the people I know that have a Serge and have the strips serge on the edges. then pull tightly around pan mark it and have the ends serged together. When ready to bake you prepare the pan with your coating. soak the ready made strip in cold water wring out the excess water pull over the pan from the bottom. these will be tight. place pan in freezer for 20 minutes to really get the strip and pan cold. Measure your cake batter and bake. What I do next is when they come out of the oven I take my cake circle and press the cake level while hot. This eliminates having to cut and level your cakes. and the cakes are so moist people have said they melt in their mouth. Good luck and we want pictures!! I don't know what kind of a vehicle you are transporting it in. But your best luck is not the very back of the vehicle, I have a sheet that i place clean towels folded to make the back seat level sit the cake down on this and it does not slide when some yo yo pulls out in front of you and cushions it from the pitfalls of the road conditions.

lvtig1 Posted 16 Mar 2013 , 12:02pm
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Thanks everyone for your kind words and tips!!  You bakers are truely wonderful and giving!  I promise to post a couple of pics on this thread sometime next week.  It is 5 am here, so am preparing to decorate!  Pray for me.  I have all these flowers and icing and am not sure what I will end up with.  Hopefully no more meltdowns.  Love to you all!!

ivys5652 Posted 16 Mar 2013 , 12:27pm
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We will wait patiently for the pictures! Have a JOY filled day.

Ann-Jannae Posted 16 Mar 2013 , 12:41pm
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A few things I have learned about the wasc - make sure eggs and sour cream are at room temp if not a slight bit warmer. Make sure to use the batter amounts in wiltons measure it out. Use a flower nail in anything over 8". When it says mix for 2 min that is on a low seep if you have a Kitchen Aid. Pound the pans to get some of the air bubbles out. I also use baking strips - my cakes never rise with a big dome, in fact I have to lower my temp to 320 and they come out perfect.

-K8memphis Posted 19 Mar 2013 , 8:22pm
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where's the pictures?


how was the wedding?

lvtig1 Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 1:37pm
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Thanks to all of you, the cake turned out fabulous!  People raved and raved about the taste, too!  I wish I would have made more of the chocolate with the Oreo filling, as that is the one that people wanted seconds of and asked for the recipe!  I was so pleased how it turned out (for a rookie, at least).  I was going to include the veil picture, but the rules say no people photos.  I will see if I can crop a segment later.  


Again, Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!  Those of you who offered your help, had a part in my success! 

 Cake closeup bottom edge:



Cake table  The picture below shows the filling showing, but to the naked eye, I never saw an issue




The candle on the table was in memory of my dad who passed away last year.

lvtig1 Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 1:39pm
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Looks like if you click on the picture you get a bigger view.  icon_biggrin.gif

cazza1 Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 1:50pm
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It looks beautiful.

denetteb Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 2:00pm
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It turned out fantastic.  I will admit, I was really wondering for a while there what kind of mess you would end up with.  It was a little crazy there for a while in cakeland at your house.  But I am so glad it looked so good and tasted so good and survived stacking and travel, etc.  I was worried about a disaster there too.  So glad it worked out and all your labors and problems paid off.  Well done.  If you hadn't posted pics I think K8 and I would have hunted you down for pictures!!  Thanks for sharing the end result.  By the way, your shimmery flowers are just lovely.

lvtig1 Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 2:08pm
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Thank you, Denettbe and cazza1.  The doweling worked perfectly.  Nothing budged after a 20 mile ride with lots of twists and turns.  I had attached the whole cake to the board with lots of double sided tape, then dowels on each level and three bamboo skewers through all layers.  Whew!  I really do appreciate and totally understand the bakers that do this all the time and WHY they charge so much for a wedding cake!  I wouldn't do it again for then than double the going rate.  LOL!  You all are amazing!

-K8memphis Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 2:55pm
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wow you did amazing!!!


that's a stunning display and a beeautiful cake omg


and for a first wedding cake--get outa here


that dang camera did like x-ray vision that's the choco tier huh


it picked up the difference in the icing coverage from the choco cake to the filling


the whole table is so elegant, loving and bridal--motorcycle and all!!!


so everything went good/great?


how did you feel did you get enough rest? (no ;)


is it all a blur?

-K8memphis Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 2:59pm
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and the candle for you dad-- a treasured and sweet sweet touch

denetteb Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 3:01pm
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Part of the little dark things are the body of little butterflies I think.  You can see one on the close up pic.  There are more, a couple on the bottom tier.  Yes, I spent too much time looking closely at it also.

-K8memphis Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by denetteb 

Part of the little dark things are the body of little butterflies I think.  You can see one on the close up pic.  There are more, a couple on the bottom tier.  Yes, I spent too much time looking closely at it also.



yes little butterflies


i meant where the filling is showing around on the second tier--linda mentioned it in her post so i was just saying it's the (dang) camera picking up the contrast in the chocolate cake underneath the icing because she said it was not noticeable to the naked eye


thank good ness we have such high falutin cameras to help manufacture issues for us -- and it's a total non-issue that is getting too much type/hype but it's the camera


sometimes they work to my advantage and do not pick up cake issues--this time they manufactured one--but seriously i am talking about it too much


the cake is not looking like a first cake at all


if you would have told me that stunning creation was smoking up the house a few brief hours before i'd a never believed yah icon_lol.gif


wow you did great teaching yourself the roses


and all the right placement and the sparkles and butterflies hovering hovering


well done, cake buddy!


very well done are you kidding


for a first cake wow

lei23 Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 4:47pm
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Yayyy you did it! It looks great. I love your flowers!

lvtig1 Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by -K8memphis 

wow you did amazing!!!


that's a stunning display and a beeautiful cake omg


and for a first wedding cake--get outa here  You are making me blush.  I loved the way it turned out until I saw these photos and then I could step back enough to see how to improve it.  We are always so critical of our work, aren't we?  I am with my sewing, too.  I can see one stitch that is out of place, and I want to take the whole row apart. 


that dang camera did like x-ray vision that's the choco tier huh


it picked up the difference in the icing coverage from the choco cake to the filling  You are right!  Chocolate/with oreo filling.


the whole table is so elegant, loving and bridal--motorcycle and all!!!  The motorcycle was purchased by my daughter and her now husband,  Their first date was a motorcycle ride.


so everything went good/great?  Once the cake was finished, traveled safely in the car and then put on the table, I breathed a sigh of relief! And I brought about a gallon of extra icing with me just in case.  But never needed it!  The pictures taken at the wedding show a very tired mother of the bride, however. icon_biggrin.gif


how did you feel did you get enough rest? (no ;)  NO, NO , NO.  I am still so overly tired.  Just now cleaning the kitchen sugar-mess!


is it all a blur?  YES!  A big tired blur.  LOL

lvtig1 Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by denetteb 

Part of the little dark things are the body of little butterflies I think.  You can see one on the close up pic.  There are more, a couple on the bottom tier.  Yes, I spent too much time looking closely at it also.

Well, I do feel better knowing it was the camera!  Yeah!  thanks for all the compliments.  Like I said, I am in awe for those of you that do this all the time.  I had NO idea how much effort it would take.  Baking cakes?  How hard could it be?  Well, I sure know otherwise, now. And of course with my panicky requests for HELP here, you KNOW it was not an easy ordeal for me.   I bow down to each and everyone of you that do this all the time.  It is truly an artistic gift that you all have.

lvtig1 Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 6:23pm
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I wanted to reiterate that the WASC recipe was the best choice, I believe, and thank you for encouraging me to continue with it.  After the overflowing mess, I was afraid to go forward with so many layers left to bake.  I made each layer twice, so 6 recipes (only have one pan of each size) and following advice on here, I cooked only one layer at a time and carefully watched it.  No more fiasco after the first one!  The taste of the WASC was wonderful, especially using the "chocolate fudge" Betty Crocker one.  With the oreos mixed into the buttercream, it was beyond yummy!  Any newbies reading this thread, I agree that the WASC recipe is the one to use!  Yummy, easy to handle (even with having to flip over larger cakes!)

-K8memphis Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by lvtig1 
Originally Posted by -K8memphis View Post

wow you did amazing!!!


that's a stunning display and a beeautiful cake omg


The pictures taken at the wedding show a very tired mother of the bride, however. icon_biggrin.gif


how did you feel did you get enough rest? (no ;) NO, NO , NO. I am still so overly tired. Just now cleaning the kitchen sugar-mess!


is it all a blur? YES! A big tired blur. LOL



i bet you were beat!
and the sugar mess--it waits patiently for you :) no hurry--will be there for you ;)
when my son got married i was terminally overwhelmed by his wedding and cake and all -- the kitchen was torpedoed i mean whoa it was bad--my dear little brother (those last four words never appeared in the same sentence before heheheheh ;) cleaned my kitchen--i'm still shocked--that was so sweet!
whooo hoooo-- and my husband often kept up with dishes when i was still doing cakes in the last years--not the first 30--can't promise they were clean exactly but they got watered and put away somewhere at least icon_lol.gif
ivys5652 Posted 20 Mar 2013 , 8:24pm
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Beautiful What a gift of love! My Daughter included pictures and candles of her brothers and Grandparents of both the groom and hers. People had never heard of that but I see it more all the time.


I think you did an awesome job and wedding cakes will be in your future for sure!

lvtig1 Posted 21 Mar 2013 , 1:54am
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Can I post pictures of the veil with the bride and the groom?  (side view)  The rules say no actual people in the picture.  Will I get in big trouble?

-K8memphis Posted 21 Mar 2013 , 2:38am
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i get confused about that--i'm not sure


but i've got a picture of me in my avatar


and i just don't know


hey--you could send it to me in a pm ;)


you just hit the 'insert image' button first


it's right next to the right & left arrows


hey what are the arrows for?

-K8memphis Posted 21 Mar 2013 , 2:39am
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oh they are undo & redo arrows--cool!

denetteb Posted 21 Mar 2013 , 3:10am
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I think you should post the picture, it was directly related to the content of the thread.  And I really want to see what teeny little sewing project kept you from baking cakes and making icing for a trial run.  K8, you are a blond?  For some reason I was picturing you with dark hair.  Funny how that is.

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