DisneyDreamer Posted 21 Feb 2013 , 1:01am
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kikiandkyle Posted 21 Feb 2013 , 1:08am
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Do you have an employment contract at your day job?

cookieswithdots Posted 21 Feb 2013 , 1:43am
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I really hope this all works out for you!  So many things to think about it seems.

 

I've been thinking of starting out too.  I've been baking for about 23 years and I think I could make a go of it.  Small, baby steps that is.

 

Could you share exactly how you got all the paperwork started?  I've had a lot on the Cottage Law and just wondering where to start.

 

Best of luck to you!

 

Melissa

jason_kraft Posted 21 Feb 2013 , 1:58am
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AHave you explored the idea of selling vegan items wholesale to the bakery you work for? You would need a Class B license for this, but it would allow you to leverage the bakery's existing customer base, which happens to be exactly who you need to target.

DisneyDreamer Posted 21 Feb 2013 , 3:37am
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Do you have an employment contract at your day job?

No there are NO rules, handbook or guide. When I started I handed in no paperwork: ID, social or food handlers. Nor did I sign anything. It's more of a moral thing I'm wrestling with or stupidity I'm not sure yet haha

DisneyDreamer Posted 21 Feb 2013 , 3:40am
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Have you explored the idea of selling vegan items wholesale to the bakery you work for? You would need a Class B license for this, but it would allow you to leverage the bakery's existing customer base, which happens to be exactly who you need to target.

I did kind of think about that but there kind of shady. And HORRIBLE about collecting money and paying bills. As it is I get pisses when they don't pay overtime. So I can only imagine how pissed I'd be if they owed me money

erin2345 Posted 21 Feb 2013 , 3:46am
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You don't owe the ppl at the deli anything, what you do in your free time is your business!  Don't let them make you feel guilty about anything, and you don't need to make a grand announcement to them that you are selling at the farmer's market on the weekends.  Good luck!

jason_kraft Posted 21 Feb 2013 , 3:56am
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AIf you can afford to lose your job at the deli (not saying it will happen, just a possibility) then go for it on your own, after you put together a business plan of course. If you can't afford to lose your job then you should talk with the owners about what you are planning, since it's very likely that starting your own business will interfere with your deli hours.

DisneyDreamer Posted 21 Feb 2013 , 4:34am
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Jason Thank you so much you after reading your post i weighted my options. Yes I love my job, but at $8 an hour and having to beg for my pay check or having it bounce. If they fire me I can find another $8 job. The way you put it made it so easy to brake it down and see that i was hiding behind my job and using at as crutch. 

enga Posted 21 Feb 2013 , 9:32pm

Hi DisineyDreamer, I really think you should go for it.  We don't have the cottage food law in my state, I wish we did.  I worked in a Natural food store while in school and they wanted my recipes but did not want to give me any credit for them.  I think you should do your own thing and work there too until you find something better. If they want to sell your product in their shop,  they could just purchase the items from you, that way it would be a win-win situation.  And by word of mouth your product could be show cased at other locations as well.

 

Your recipe should be saved for your benefit and your business, if they are acting shady already I wouldn't give them a chance to take advantage of you.

 

Good luck!

IAmPamCakes Posted 22 Feb 2013 , 3:30am

Sounds like your employer sucks anyway, so why not get started working for yourself? Keep working your 9-5 for as long as you can, but build build build business for your own future. I worked for a woman who owned what she called a 'bakery' for a few months, and she was the worst business owner I've ever met. It was a huge disaster (she closed her doors shortly after I was 'let go'), but I chalk it up to experience gained for my future business. LOTS of lessons learned, move on.

Good luck with your endeavor.

Apti Posted 22 Feb 2013 , 4:06am

If you are only making minimum wage at the deli/bakery, then they have provided no incentive for you to stay.  I would suggest that you find another minimum wage (or better) job with the hours that will allow you to have a base income and health insurance.  THEN, spend the extra time promoting your vegan items as you wish. 

 

Before you do anything, however, you need to assess your ability to run your side business as a BUSINESS, not a "fun" thing to do.  You will need to pay bills, figure the exact cost of each item, plan your shopping trips, storage of ingredients, supplies, costs of Farmer's Market's, etc.  Just because you make specialty baked goods, does NOT mean you will make a profit unless you pay close attention.

 

I recommend the CakeBoss software (10% discount with CakeCentral membership) as the first step.  Then contacting a local SCORE office to obtain information on the best way to prepare a business plan.   If you are "barely covering bills" now with your current job, you should also consider saving quite a bit before taking any large steps.

 

http://www.cakeboss.com/PricingGuideline.aspx

BakingIrene Posted 22 Feb 2013 , 7:55pm

You can be honest to your day job and say "my second job is teaching, I don't need a third fulltime job" No need to say anything at all about their cash-flow style...

 

The farmers market with vegan baked goods sounds like a GREAT idea.  It is self limiting in time, but you might have contact with (what we will all hope for) some IT billionaire who comes along and offers you the support to start up a fulltime vegan bake shop...At that point you plan to pay yourself a proper professional salary with benefits right from the start.

DisneyDreamer Posted 25 Feb 2013 , 1:16am
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If you are only making minimum wage at the deli/bakery, then they have provided no incentive for you to stay.  I would suggest that you find another minimum wage (or better) job with the hours that will allow you to have a base income and health insurance.  THEN, spend the extra time promoting your vegan items as you wish. 

 

Before you do anything, however, you need to assess your ability to run your side business as a BUSINESS, not a "fun" thing to do.  You will need to pay bills, figure the exact cost of each item, plan your shopping trips, storage of ingredients, supplies, costs of Farmer's Market's, etc.  Just because you make specialty baked goods, does NOT mean you will make a profit unless you pay close attention.

 

I recommend the CakeBoss software (10% discount with CakeCentral membership) as the first step.  Then contacting a local SCORE office to obtain information on the best way to prepare a business plan.   If you are "barely covering bills" now with your current job, you should also consider saving quite a bit before taking any large steps.

 

http://www.cakeboss.com/PricingGuideline.aspx

 

Ive been doing cakes on the side for a few years now renting kitchens. as well as my last job was as a sou chef so I have a working knowledge of cost control. just doing cakes on the side for "fun" I keep a running inventory so that when i do get orders i know off hand what i have and need. i hate nothing more then making 15 trips to the store for a cake. hahah now that i can bake out of my home it cuts down on the renting overhead. my second job is at a local bulk food store teaching and the main reason i keep that job is i get 35% off supplies and when i teach anything i use for the class is mine to take home. i also have 5000 saved from my cake jobs over the years.

 

I did look into cakeboss in the past but i am a mac and cakeboss is not. 

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You can be honest to your day job and say "my second job is teaching, I don't need a third fulltime job" No need to say anything at all about their cash-flow style...

 

The farmers market with vegan baked goods sounds like a GREAT idea.  It is self limiting in time, but you might have contact with (what we will all hope for) some IT billionaire who comes along and offers you the support to start up a fulltime vegan bake shop...At that point you plan to pay yourself a proper professional salary with benefits right from the start.

Im very blessed to be in a community that is vegetarian as its a SDA community. So vegan pastries has yet to be tapped into in this community. i hope its a great idea haha ive already talked to my uncle about the business and he wants to be a backer at this point im not ready to have a full time bakery. i want to build a fan base and learn what works in the community and find my footing before jumping into a store front. 

jason_kraft Posted 25 Feb 2013 , 2:00am

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Im very blessed to be in a community that is vegetarian as its a SDA community. So vegan pastries has yet to be tapped into in this community.

People in the SDA community are typically lacto-ovo-vegetarian, since they still eat eggs and dairy the market there for vegan pastries will probably be pretty limited, unless there is a separate vegan community locally.

DisneyDreamer Posted 25 Feb 2013 , 2:20am
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People in the SDA community are typically lacto-ovo-vegetarian, since they still eat eggs and dairy the market there for vegan pastries will probably be pretty limited, unless there is a separate vegan community locally.

Yes thats true the deli\bakery i work at is veggie and we get tons of request for vegan. i can bake non vegan as well im going to give the vegan thing a go though i want to do 6 months solid at the markets and see how it goes. then i will reevaluate 

enga Posted 25 Feb 2013 , 10:19am

You Go! Disney Dreamer,  Vegetarian and Vegan bakeries are finally starting to pop up in my neck of the woods.

 

With the increasing levels of  food allergies and the fact that people are making more healthy choices in the food they eat, and Vegan and vegetarian baked goods are becoming more popular.

 

I have to make  vegan, gluten free,and nut free, cakes and cookies for my grandson who is allergic to so many things.  It's kind of sad that he reads the labels on every thing so he knows if he can have it or not.

 

So it's nice to have a bakery that offers these items when he's out in about and wants a treat too.

 

I commend you for going after your dreams,  I know there is a huge demand for what you have to offer in the community.

 

Good luck!

jason_kraft Posted 25 Feb 2013 , 4:05pm

AVegan and nut-free is a great niche. Most vegan restaurant and bakeries use a lot of nuts, and there are a lot of people with allergies to nuts, eggs, and/or dairy out there (especially kids).

Apti Posted 25 Feb 2013 , 5:37pm

disneydreamer~~Big congrats on doing so many things right!  It is so hard to tell in 1 of 2 posts what's behind someone's original question, but it appears that you have really been doing your homework.  I wish you tons of success!

DisneyDreamer Posted 28 Feb 2013 , 12:20am
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I really hope this all works out for you!  So many things to think about it seems.

 

I've been thinking of starting out too.  I've been baking for about 23 years and I think I could make a go of it.  Small, baby steps that is.

 

Could you share exactly how you got all the paperwork started?  I've had a lot on the Cottage Law and just wondering where to start.

 

Best of luck to you!

 

Melissa

Hi Melissa, 

 

I went to my city hall and spoke with the lady in the home occupation department. she gave me paper work to fill out she is unclear about the cottage law and all that so i filled out the paper work took her EVERYTHING business tax application, home occupation application, $50.00, letter of intent, floor plan of my house, my Cottage food operation application (because it stated i had to have proof of Business license or home occupancy license). They then mailed out letters to all houses around mine telling them i wanted to do business out of my home. and thats the point i am at now waiting on the call to get my permit then i just have to go pay the fee at the health department 

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