Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im Really Stuck

Decorating By minxie1320 Updated 14 Nov 2013 , 4:26pm by minxie1320

minxie1320 Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 7:20pm
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hi all

i am making a really big cake that requires a framework but i dont know what material would be sutible for the framework and which material would be more hyigenic,

i have been looking around and by the looks of things plywood is the best option but i dont know whether it is or not that is why i am looking for the advice from the more advanced.

 

your advice is much appreciated.icon_biggrin.gif

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-K8memphis Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 7:22pm
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define framework

minxie1320 Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 7:53pm
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i have got to make a bigger version of the 32 ford for a party in sept but it need to be able to feed 300 people and it needs a framework to support it. i have found this video as a reference. if this is any help for what i am looking for. see how she uses wood for a structure. well thats the sort of thing i need but i dont know what sort of material would be good to use. icon_smile.gif

BakingIrene Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 7:58pm
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Plywood is NOT an option at all unless you can cover it with something that is guaranteed to not be penetrated by the moisture or grease from the cake.

 

You need to be looking for "food grade" plastic sheets, and "water supply" or "water service" grade PVC pipe.

 

Copper pipe and "waste" grade PVC and galvanized pipe should never be placed in contact with food as they release toxic substances and/or corrode very rapidly. Like within an hour of being put into contact with cake or icing.

 

You MUST use stainless steel or plastic screws NOT galvanized or dipped.

 

And most tape is NOT food grade either.

minxie1320 Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 8:00pm
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is there no way to use plywood and cover it with cling film so it doesnt absorbe the moisture from the cake,

-K8memphis Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 8:04pm
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hmmm dang 300 people

 

it's bad enough to have to make a car but a real big car? so sorry :)

 

first of all you gotta do some serious math and balance out the servings against the doorways you will need to pass through--all of the doorways!!! 

 

  • where you are making it

 

  • the vehicle

 

  • the venue

 

  • including any elevators

 

plywood is a good option

 

will need several sets of hands to deliver

 

unfortunately the video won't play

minxie1320 Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 8:06pm
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the venue is really big and got four hand to help carry it and i have got a van to  take it there. the video is on youtube if you want to have a watch. thanks for the advice.

-K8memphis Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 8:07pm
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for plywood--just cover with something decorative--that will show around the edges of the car

 

that's the bottom board

 

then

 

 i mean i have to map this out before i decide on building materials

 

i don't know how big it will be yet except massive

-K8memphis Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 8:09pm
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a really big venue is not a really big doorway

 

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what's the address of the you tube?

 

the video is not cooperating with me for the address either

minxie1320 Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 8:14pm
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the door is pretty big as well lol. i am going to speak to the customer and see if he wants to have it for 300 people. when i last spoke to him he ssaid it doesnt have to big that big and not everyone eats cake that is going there, he just want it to make the table look pretty lol.

 

thanks for the help. it has been doing my brain in looking every where about on what material to use as a stucture and i am glad i came here.

minxie1320 Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 8:24pm
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-K8memphis Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 8:33pm
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wow that was awesome

 

but it was for a motor bike

 

a 32 ford is a motor bike?

 

for 300??

 

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-K8memphis Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 8:35pm
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i thought you meant an antique car

 

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silly me!

 

omg

BakingIrene Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by minxie1320 

is there no way to use plywood and cover it with cling film so it doesnt absorbe the moisture from the cake,

What did I say?  That plywood has to be completely covered and that the material you use must not let any moisture or grease through.

 

You would have to use layers of heavy restaurant grade "clingfilm" for it to stand up to the work, delivery and cutting.  And it would have to be taped down well enough to stay in place.

 

You will need boards for every 4 inches of stacked depth of cake--covered on both sides.  Plus more dowels than you can think.

 

But I think there are other issues.  The finished cake will require at least 8 hands NOT four or six to move safely. Or else you need to put the cake together onsite. It is much safer to carry sheets of cake and buckets of icing.

 

You will need a display board for the car's wheels to sit on, that will be visible.  NO clingfilm there. Another platform that the wheels will cover, to support the body.

 

We have no clue about your experience.  Building a dozen large wedding cakes comes close to the baking prep but not to the extensive carving.  You need a professional sized fridge to chill the stacked cake to make it easier to carve. 

 

Your most sensible option is to offer a flat sheet cake with a car carved from stacked quarter sheets.  This still needs proper boards and dowels.  You see, when people see a good car cake, they ALL want a piece or more.  Even those who "don't eat cake". 

-K8memphis Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 10:28pm
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oh my bad! it is a car! duh on me icon_biggrin.gif

 

so i would figure out my servings

 

figure out how big to make the bottom board which is the undercarriage of the car

 

build my wheel allowance in there

 

i might need to have one 'foot' in the middle of the undercarriage (which is the bottom board) to help support it/hold it up because i'm a freak about structures

 

but i'd probably have a hidden 'foot' or pillar' stationed just inside each wheel to do that

 

because you wouldn't notice it there--the wheel would cover for it

 

where you could still see straight through underneath the care like a real car

 

ok so that's all made & secure

 

i'd fashion a foam core board taped together on one side to match the surface of the undercarriage/bottom board

 

the cake can be placed on the non-taped side of the foam core after i apply BlakesCakes brilliant method* to clean and wax it

 

*i'll go find that--she cleans then waxes her boards--brb

-K8memphis Posted 14 Jan 2013 , 10:34pm
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Originally Posted by BlakesCakes View Post

 

I cut my own boards from 3/16" foamcore using a hot knife (electrified X-acto).

 

I don't cover them with anything because I don't want bits of foil, saran, or parchment to come up with the cake after cutting, so I melt some edible soy wax and wipe it on the surface (which I've sanitized using grain alcohol or vanilla extract). Works great--very sturdy.

 

Rae

 

BakingIrene Posted 15 Jan 2013 , 12:38am
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Originally Posted by -K8memphis 

 

but i'd probably have a hidden 'foot' or pillar' stationed just inside each wheel to do that

 

because you wouldn't notice it there--the wheel would cover for it

 

where you could still see straight through underneath the care like a real car

 

If you make black pillars and black wheels, with no gap in between, nobody will really notice.  You can use black pipe or even black chunks of 4x4 wood--either one covered with black fondant.  Screw the board down onto these legs.

minxie1320 Posted 14 Nov 2013 , 12:45pm
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well I have now done the 32 ford cake for the customer.

 

here is a picture of the cake

embersmom Posted 14 Nov 2013 , 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by minxie1320 
 

well I have now done the 32 ford cake for the customer.

 

here is a picture of the cake


OMG, that's beautiful!  Or handsome?  What adjective does one use for an antique car?!?  I love you attention to detail!

 

I love the flame detailing on the door.  What did you use for the chrome in front?

 

Is that checkerboard piped?  It looks like it...?

minxie1320 Posted 14 Nov 2013 , 2:15pm
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thanks very much. the chrome on the front is metallic silver edible paint and the flames are hand drawn on rice paper and the checked board is individual square with piping in the gaps to look like grout

howsweet Posted 14 Nov 2013 , 2:53pm
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AAwesome cake! I have to do a silver bow this weekend and am considering just using silver highlighter. What edible silver paint did you use on that? I'm have issues with metallic looks... Thanks :)

coke Posted 14 Nov 2013 , 3:05pm
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AAwesome!!!!

minxie1320 Posted 14 Nov 2013 , 4:26pm
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it was just brush on edible paint. I will get the name of it for you . xx

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