Bring back the 'Puppies and Rainbows'

Decorating By Danielle_loves_cake Updated 19 Oct 2012 , 12:46am by debidehm

Godot Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 1:59pm
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Pot, meet kettle.

jason_kraft Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 2:09pm
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I asked a question regarding how to improve something to do with my buttercream. I received a nasty response more or less tellling me that I'm not a real baker because I use American buttercream not Meringue buttercream. That started a little disagreement, no big deal. Then someone with a similar name commented to defend me. Then it all started, someone accused me of being her and then continued to say that my/her last recipe was a bunch of crap, that is was discusting and the I/she asks stupid questions. That was not me. I felt really badly for her though. This is the first time that I've created a bogus account. Now is that not rude? Do you not see the problem there?



I agree, that is rude, and the ridiculous accusation that you created an additional account to support your points is not even worth responding to.

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And speaking of bogus accounts, you're probably using one (or more) to back up your statements.



Do you not see the irony of this statement? You are doing the same thing to me (accusing me of creating multiple accounts) that was so hurtful to you it caused you to stop posting for months and create a new identity.

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I've been spending a lot of time on here lately with this forum post and it's not really been enjoyable for me so I would like to end it soon.



That's unfortunate...everyone has something to contribute, you shouldn't let a few rude posts here and there stop you from participating in a community that is mostly respectful, supportive, and informative.

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I know you like to have the last word though



I don't "like to have the last word", if someone posts a point in a discussion and I have a response, I will respond to it. If I don't have a response or one is not necessary, I won't reply. If you don't want to continue this discussion, you don't have to keep posting in this thread.

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You got your point across, the world is full of nasty people and it won't change.



That's not my point at all. I don't think the world is full of nasty people, but there is a small percentage in any community that tends to be not as respectful as they could be. If you let these people drive you away from the community instead of just ignoring them, the community as a whole loses.

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Sorry to be so blunt, but I don't even understand why you're a member here if you don't even bake or decorate.



I co-founded and ran a bakery for four years, and there is much more to running a successful baking business than baking and decorating. I happen to enjoy both discussing business topics and debating, which is why I participate here.

Danielle_loves_cake Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 2:34pm
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I'm done now. I don't know why you find this 'debating' back and forth so ejoyable. It's such a waste of time. Bye

Godot Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 3:03pm
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julzs71 Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 3:30pm
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I was wondering how long this debate would last.
Puppies and Rainbows? Where in the heck does this exist, except in a young childs protected life. There does not exist such a thing.
There are some people who just don't know how to phrase things, which doesn't make them meanies. They just say it bluntly, without sweetening the edges. Two people can mean the same thing, but in the end one person might say it bitchy. The internet also doesn't transfer the whole meaning, some things get lost in translation.
I will say that I am a bit tired of the whole YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED debate every time somebody ask a question. It's ok for one person to say it, but then the whole darn thread goes to YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED!!
Remeber, it is just the internet. These people don't know you. Why get your panties in a wad? They may just have bitchy personalities. They be people who are just surfing for a response. I'm not saying that's ok. But there are people who love drama. Ignore and move on. Their underpits probably stink. icon_redface.gifLast, but not least. Why would you try to debate with Jason? First, he's a man. icon_lol.gif

vpJane Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 3:40pm
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Ahhh... arguing with Jason... an exercise in futility. icon_lol.gif




LOL...yes. an exercise in futility. I have to note, though that Godot and all the people who signed up to CC not too long ago, have no idea how JK used to be. He has changed for the better! So maybe we should give him a little break and not hold a grudge? Together with his answers there was usually this "sermon" about being legal and all that stuff, even if the question was not posted on the business forum. I mean, really, he and his "friends" at this forum would gang up on people.

http://cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=7266318&highlight=#7266318

Then there was this long ago (he's a far cry from that person):
http://cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopic-723008-150.html

And fortunately, both FL and CA have a cottage food law now, despite the demoralizing posts.
http://cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopic-697373-0.html

JK still has to work on his "arguing" and having the last word...lol...give him some time.

vpJane Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 3:43pm
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Remeber, it is just the internet. These people don't know you. Why get your panties in a wad? They may just have bitchy personalities. They be people who are just surfing for a response. I'm not saying that's ok. But there are people who love drama. Ignore and move on. Their underpits probably stink. icon_redface.gif




lol

Godot Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 3:43pm
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Their underpits probably stink.




SNORK!

I just sprayed Coke out through my nose.

jason_kraft Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 4:23pm
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I have to note, though that Godot and all the people who signed up to CC not too long ago, have no idea how JK used to be. He has changed for the better!



Interesting that you said that, looking back at my older posts they are pretty much the same as what I post now. The biggest difference since then is that some of the worst offenders in terms of personal attacks have since either been banned or left the community.

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I mean, really, he and his "friends" at this forum would gang up on people.

http://cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=7266318&highlight=#7266318



Did you mean to link to a different thread? I don't see a sermon or ganging up there.

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And fortunately, both FL and CA have a cottage food law now, despite the demoralizing posts.
http://cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopic-697373-0.html



Which "demoralizing" posts? My comments were about the proposition process in FL (which is as difficult as I described) but luckily both FL and CA were able to pass CFLs through their state legislatures instead. And that's why I said in that thread "this petition could still be useful for making FL lawmakers aware of the issue so they can pass a law on their own".

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JK still has to work on his "arguing" and having the last word



I don't see it that way, I think I'm pretty good at arguing (i.e. discussing a topic while backing up your viewpoints with evidence and logic). And re "having the last word", if someone brings up a point and I have an opinion or counterpoint I will post it. That's the whole point of a discussion forum. Are people really holding back their posts just because they don't want to seem like they "have the last word"?

costumeczar Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 5:50pm
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This is my mascot. Thought you'd all enjoy him. Click in him to view correctly.
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mhcl Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 6:09pm
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That's actually my brother...who looks just like me. So I take offense to that.
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AZCouture Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 6:14pm
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Pieman rules. That is all.

costumeczar Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 6:56pm
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This is my mascot. Thought you'd all enjoy him. Click in him to view correctly.



That's actually my brother...who looks just like me. So I take offense to that.
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Hahaha! Does he look like you in the face, or in the body?

PumpkinTart Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 7:09pm
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Ahhh... arguing with Jason... an exercise in futility. icon_lol.gif



LOL...yes. an exercise in futility. I have to note, though that Godot and all the people who signed up to CC not too long ago, have no idea how JK used to be. He has changed for the better! So maybe we should give him a little break and not hold a grudge? Together with his answers there was usually this "sermon" about being legal and all that stuff, even if the question was not posted on the business forum. I mean, really, he and his "friends" at this forum would gang up on people.

http://cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=7266318&highlight=#7266318

Then there was this long ago (he's a far cry from that person):
http://cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopic-723008-150.html

And fortunately, both FL and CA have a cottage food law now, despite the demoralizing posts.
http://cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopic-697373-0.html

JK still has to work on his "arguing" and having the last word...lol...give him some time.




I actually took the time to read through all of these links and once again, Jason never said anything offensive. He was contributing to the conversation, calmly responding when other people questioned why he was involved, etc.

I found it pretty offensive that in one of those threads someone was basically saying "shame on Jason" for always trying to talk about legally running a business and this person literally said she encourages people via PM's to break the law 'no one will know, no one will get sick...'

Seriously, it comes down to this:

1. If you are selling a product you are in business (exchanging goods for money or items of value in lieu of actual money). If you ask a question about conducting business (regardless of whether you post it in the business forum or not), expect to get an answer framed from a businessperson's perspective. A GOOD businessperson would never encourage you to break the law and a person looking out for your best interest would never give false praise or tell you good business practices aren't really important.
2. If you are in business, you need to follow the laws of your state/national government.
3. If you are not following the laws and/or are operating illegally, there is nothing wrong with someone telling you you are breaking the law. It doesn't matter whether or not you want to hear that you're doing something wrong - IF YOU'RE ILLEGAL, YOU ARE WRONG!
4. There is nothing wrong with a person who lives in one state researching a topic involving laws in another state and responding/offering his/her opinions. You don't need to be a lawyer or accountant to understand the laws and offer feedback on a message board. You don't have to live in the state being discussed to have an opinion about the law in that state, just like you are allowed to have an opinion about cake if you've never baked one before. IT'S AN OPINION!!!!!

Taking offense at someone for calling you out about operating illegally is displaying immaturity. You are doing something wrong/illegal. Get over it.

Taking offense at someone for educating him/herself and carefully responding with valuable advice (whether you specifically asked for it or now) is displaying immaturity. Just because you don't want to hear it doesn't mean a person doesn't have to right to state an opinion or offer advice.

Expecting someone not to defend him/herself when blatantly incorrect statements have been made and then throwing out a "you always have to get the last word in" is the behavior of a small child. As a businessperson and/or professional of any type, I would always stand up for myself if someone accused me of a falsehood or maligned my reputation.

Yes, it does get frustrating arguing with someone when you feel like you can never win. However, the reality just might be that you are wrong and a careful examination of the facts (without the emotions of how you believe you've been wronged in the past) might just lead you to the realization that someone else has a point. Take it as a opportunity (once you've worked through those bad feelings) to learn something. This certainly doesn't mean Jason is always right. It means that no one is ever "ALWAYS" right and when you close yourself off to learning from someone just because you don't like them or their message you lose.

By the way, someone taking the time to quote you and breaking your post into 5-6 segments and responding to each segment individually typically means they did actually "listen" to what you said. Lack of agreement doesn't mean lack of understanding or not listening to your perspective.

lorieleann Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 8:39pm
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This kind of let's all hold hands thread gets started occasionally, and it's pretty obvious that it's usually intended to scold one particular person, which is pretty ironic.




thanks for saying what i was giggling about here. I am far more annoyed by posts that ask questions without having done any research prior to posting, than the tone of replies. Maybe it is the experience posters have with the internets, but this place is pretty darn tame.

I think of it as a cocktail party that you mingle through. You will always find some conversations that you'd rather walk past, and some that always pull you in, some party goers who have a dry wit with a side of bite, and some who you know will be your best friend (personally i look for the former to be the latter). Sometime people have great days, other times you know that you'd (or someone else) rather have stayed in bed and kept your mouth shut. This isn't a campfire circle where everyone has link arms and have a sing along. There are other hobby decorating forums that have that vibe overflowing from the puppies riding galloping unicorns while leaping rainbow fences.

Trying to tell other people how to act just incites drama and takes us away from sharing knowledge and information.

FromScratchSF Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 9:36pm
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mhcl Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 10:08pm
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That's actually my brother...who looks just like me. So I take offense to that.
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Hahaha! Does he look like you in the face, or in the body?




The body? I wish! As I come back from the bathroom with whitestrips on to keep from eating all of the chocolate mud cake in the kitchen. All my good genes are in the eyebrows! They are the frame of the face, you know.

prettycupcake Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 10:10pm
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Jason,
I just want people to respectfully answer the questions being asked. Some people, including yourself, offer excellent, helpful advice. Some others do not. But sometimes I do see you defending people that are condescending and rude. I wish you'd stop doing that. Sometimes it feels like being ganged up on.




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Sparklekat6 Posted 15 Oct 2012 , 10:12pm
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You need to add: "Boom." at the end.

paulstonia Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 4:38am
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And this is what I assume the op was talking about. Just a simple opinion, why does it need to be debated to this extent. She explained pretty clearly why she feels the way she does. Sorry Jason she isn't going to be able to give you irrufutable proof ( and I don't really think she should be required to) it's a FEELING. Some people do not enjoy every discussion becoming a debate. People sometimes having differing oppinions and neither is wrong.

vgcea Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 6:10am
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And this is what I assume the op was talking about. Just a simple opinion, why does it need to be debated to this extent. She explained pretty clearly why she feels the way she does. Sorry Jason she isn't going to be able to give you irrufutable proof ( and I don't really think she should be required to) it's a FEELING. Some people do not enjoy every discussion becoming a debate. People sometimes having differing oppinions and neither is wrong.




Speaking of puppies... RUFF! RUFF!! icon_biggrin.gif

diddlydee Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 8:46am
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Which is worst:
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I am offended by a comment I received when asking a simple question, the comment was too honestly written, I feel scolded! Since other people agreed with this comment I feel bullied!
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The OP asked for an honest response, their cake was poor and so with my advice hopefully they will try harder next time. Now though, Im being called a bully and I keep receiving offensive PMs telling me to butt out of the forums! I was only trying to help!

Response to 1: OP's stop asking questions they could have researched in an hour and stop posting just to fish for possibly undeserved compliments.

Response to 2: Experienced cake makers stop replying to questions, their advice is no longer added, readers other than the OP now gain nothing, CC loses is devalued, questions stop coming.
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AnnieCahill Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 2:25pm
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I am just re-posting my post from another thread. Very appropriate here as well.

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Wow, this whole thread is cracked. So I say to myself, "I'll join in!"

Bottom line-sticks and stones people! This is a forum on da internets. If you don't like what you hear then simply go to another thread. There is absolutely nothing on this board that is worth having a nervous breakdown over. If you want only the good self-serving advice, then please put a disclaimer in your post which states that you expect rainbows and unicorns to accompany the replies.

I am a tell it like it is person, but after working almost ten years in my "real" job, I have learned to carefully choose my words and say things politically. It's just part of who I am now.

So remember, sticks and stones. Do parents even teach that anymore? Or is that why we have so many boys walking around with tight pants, nail polish, and long hair? Hmm...


vpJane Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 2:30pm
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@AnnieCahill, what does this mean? Can't boys dress however they want and wear long hair, nail polish and tight pants if they want to? What does that have to do with anything?

"So remember, sticks and stones. Do parents even teach that anymore? Or is that why we have so many boys walking around with tight pants, nail polish, and long hair? Hmm..."

paulstonia Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 2:45pm
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sorry Annie, but yes I found that comment offensive too when you posted it in the first thread. I chose to ignore it, as it wasn't worth my time but I do wonder why you would find it appropriate. I happened to have a son who at 12 had longer hair than me and wore girls jeans. It was in style. He's now 21 and has a buzz cut and at 6'2" couldn't wear girls jeans if he wanted to. And no I did not teach my kids words can never hurt you. I taught them to treat other how they would want to be treated. I'm not one of the overly sensitive who want all responses sugar coated but I find no reason for outright rudeness.

jason_kraft Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 2:50pm
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Sorry Jason she isn't going to be able to give you irrufutable proof ( and I don't really think she should be required to) it's a FEELING.



Who has asked the OP to provide irrefutable proof? Irrefutable proof of what?

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Some people do not enjoy every discussion becoming a debate.



That is certainly true, and if someone does not enjoy participating in a discussion or a debate they usually stop participating. But one person not enjoying a debate shouldn't mean that no one else is allowed to participate either.

AnnieCahill Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 2:59pm
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I am referring to the ever-growing group referred to as "emo". Overly emotional children who are being raised with thin skins. It's not as much the appearance as it is the attitude (in my experience, they usually go hand-in-hand). It's the self-centered generation who think that everyone is so interested in them and they want everyone to pine over them and their wonderfulness, and have their ego stroked 24/7. We all know that it doesn't work that way in the real world. You get criticized, bullied, and holy crap, you might just have to work and actually do a GOOD JOB to get accolades. It manifests itself in Twitter, Facebook, and everywhere else. This is just a generalization-I'm not singling anyone out. But I am seeing it more and more and it's just awful. I was a teenager not that long ago and I never acted the way I am seeing these kids act. It's quite scary.

It all comes back to the same thing. Have a thick skin, stop whining, and move along. I was bullied every. single. day. Every day of my life. Kids are jerks. But I had a family behind me who basically told me every day not to worry about it, etc.

Never in a million years would I have a breakdown or create another user name to cry about someone being rude to me on an internet forum.

What some consider rude, others consider the truth. Perception is everything.

costumeczar Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 3:24pm
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If you guys think this topic was weird, check out this thread from Etsy yesterday. It was epic. http://www.etsy.com/teams/7722/business-topics/discuss/11078711/page/1

AnnieCahill Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 3:28pm
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Holy wow! 39 pages! I also don't see how it was "discimination." LOLz.

jason_kraft Posted 16 Oct 2012 , 3:47pm
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Interesting Etsy thread, I read several pages and aside from the OP the rest of the posters seem to very pragmatic and logical. What's even more impressive is that Etsy's community is much larger, those 39 pages of posts were generated in less than 4 hours before a moderator locked the thread.

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