Lizmybit Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 12:04am

Has anyone purchased these videos? I am thinking about buying the Advance Fondant Techniques by Marina Sousa and Modern Piping by Joshua John Russell. Wondering if anyone else has purchased them, are the worth the money?

Thanks!

37 replies
icer101 Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 12:19am

someone on here posted today, that she loved marina sousa's . It was well worth the money. hth

ashya Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 12:37am

I purchased those two classes and also the decadent chocolate cakes and topsy turvy.I loved them,to me they were worth the money.Just had a little problem with the buffering at first but they are working on fixing that.

Bakingangel Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 12:38am

I just purchased the Advance Fondant, Piping with Josh, and the gumpaste flower one. They are great! I was lucky enough to get in on their 50% off sale. I tried to post the sale here to let you all know, but couldn't figure out how to do a new posting since the change. Would someone please tell me where to find the "New Topic" button icon_redface.gif

agconner Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 12:39am

I got all 4 of the cake decorating classes the other day when they were 50% off. I have finished adv fondant and it was great, a lot of new ideas and ways of doing things. I just started on the piping one today but it seems good also. I think they are all going to be worth the money

Apti Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 12:47am
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Originally Posted by Bakingangel

I just purchased the Advance Fondant, Piping with Josh, and the gumpaste flower one. They are great! I was lucky enough to get in on their 50% off sale. I tried to post the sale here to let you all know, but couldn't figure out how to do a new posting since the change. Would someone please tell me where to find the "New Topic" button icon_redface.gif




Go to the FORUMS on the burgundy menu above. Click.
This will bring up the different forums. Click the one you want.
Just below the title of the forum will be a box that says, "Post New Topic", click on that.

Bakingangel Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 4:35am
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Originally Posted by Apti

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Originally Posted by Bakingangel

I just purchased the Advance Fondant, Piping with Josh, and the gumpaste flower one. They are great! I was lucky enough to get in on their 50% off sale. I tried to post the sale here to let you all know, but couldn't figure out how to do a new posting since the change. Would someone please tell me where to find the "New Topic" button icon_redface.gif



Go to the FORUMS on the burgundy menu above. Click.
This will bring up the different forums. Click the one you want.
Just below the title of the forum will be a box that says, "Post New Topic", click on that.




THANKS, APTI. I think I was just so excited to tell everyone about the sale that I had a brain freeze!

Anyone interested in any future sales should just register on their website. I received an email about the sale. Luckily I checked my emails in time. Hope everyone is having a great 4th of July!

Apti Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 4:53am

THANKS, APTI. I think I was just so excited to tell everyone about the sale that I had a brain freeze!
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No worries. I have brain freezes ALL the time......

nanefy Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 11:13am

Well I'm going to rock the boat here - I've had TWO refunds for craftsy classes - one for the topsy turvy and one for the supposed 'advanced' fondant techniques. I have screen shots of the really terrible fondant work from the advanced fondant techniques so that I could prove why it most definitely was not 'advanced' work. Squashing fondant in at the corners because you can't get it to look nice, is not advanced work - also gaping and I mean gaping holes at the bottom of tiers is also not advanced. I don't know if filming the craftsy classes is stressful or if they have a time limit in which to film everything but if you are advertising your class as advanced, I'd expect the fondant work to be at least as good as my own if not better.

I have the Jacqueline Butler class and the Piping course by Josh, both are really good, but Jacqueline's is the clear stand out winner for me. The other two I never even watched in full before asking for a refund.

There ARE DVD's out there where the fondant work and the stuff they are teaching is fantastic, I'd rather buy those than recommend the two classes I've had refunds for.

Dayti Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 2:37pm

I did Jaqueline Butler's class - by far the best of all IMO. Modern Piping was OK, but a real pain to watch because of the technical side of the viewing, the videos would not load and I am on a 50MB internet connection. I didn't finish watching it. The Topsy Turvy was just not good content...one of his tiers did not even go on centrally making the cake look odd, and it was his construction/engineering/design fault. Didn't finish watching it either. It never occurred to me to ask for a refund for either of those but I might. Marina Sousa's looks good at first glance but if Nanefy is saying it's a bit sloppy I am now having doubts....

Lizmybit Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 3:07pm

Thanks everyone! I might just wait for a 50% off sale. icon_smile.gif

Sassy74 Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 5:59pm

I bought the Jacqueline Butler class and loved it. Haven't tried any of the others, and now I'm a bit scared to icon_surprised.gif

costumeczar Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 8:09pm

I got the Jacqueline Butler class and it was dead boring, seriously put me to sleep! I think that you should really find out what skill level the videos are before you buy, because I didn't learn squat from that one and I won't be buying any more classes from them because of that. It's hard to decide because I can usually get SOMETHING from a class, but it's not always worth the money to get one tiny tip from it.

sweettooth101 Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 8:54pm

I took the Jaqueline Butler class and am enjoying it inspite of knowing how to make hydrangeas.She is very calm and precise with instructions, great for those who are new to gumpaste. I suppose every instructor must assume they are teaching a novice and go step by step unless the class is 'advance'.

nanefy Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by costumeczar

I got the Jacqueline Butler class and it was dead boring, seriously put me to sleep! I think that you should really find out what skill level the videos are before you buy, because I didn't learn squat from that one and I won't be buying any more classes from them because of that. It's hard to decide because I can usually get SOMETHING from a class, but it's not always worth the money to get one tiny tip from it.




I have to say I'm very surprised at that - I suppose everyone has different tastes, but I personally find Jacqueline to be a fantastic teacher, she is precise and her work is perfection, plus she is so helpful. For me, I take classes not because I think I might learn a whole load of new things (however that is always nice), but that I might also find a new way of doing things that I hadn't realised before. I learned a lot from Jacqueline's class and more than just the specific flowers she made, but techniques I could take away and use on other flowers.

costumeczar Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by nanefy

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Originally Posted by costumeczar

I got the Jacqueline Butler class and it was dead boring, seriously put me to sleep! I think that you should really find out what skill level the videos are before you buy, because I didn't learn squat from that one and I won't be buying any more classes from them because of that. It's hard to decide because I can usually get SOMETHING from a class, but it's not always worth the money to get one tiny tip from it.



I have to say I'm very surprised at that - I suppose everyone has different tastes, but I personally find Jacqueline to be a fantastic teacher, she is precise and her work is perfection, plus she is so helpful. For me, I take classes not because I think I might learn a whole load of new things (however that is always nice), but that I might also find a new way of doing things that I hadn't realised before. I learned a lot from Jacqueline's class and more than just the specific flowers she made, but techniques I could take away and use on other flowers.




I've found that most cake videos go soooooo sloooow they're good for insomnia. this one was no different for me, I seriously had to struggle to stay awake. Jacqueline's personality is totally irrelevant, if the video doesn't teach me anything the person making it can be the nicest person in the world but to me it wouldn't be worth paying for it.

Apti Posted 5 Jul 2012 , 10:44pm

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Originally Posted by costumeczar

I think that you should really find out what skill level the videos are before you buy..... but it's not always worth the money to get one tiny tip from it.





I agree. There are SO many awesome, free teaching tutorials/videos on the internet. At this point in my hobby baking, I've decided that a class has to be FABULOUS before I will pay $$$.

An example: The aine2 (Lorraine McKay) tutorials were on sale for 50%. These are downloadable tutorials with step-by-step photos. I was very picky and chose one for a person and one for an animal. Each of these techniques can be tweaked to be used in many different ways. These were well worth the price for the detailed, precise, instructions. However, I would not pay $300 to take the class in person since nothing extra would be gained except getting to say hello to Ms. McKay and have a fun outing.

I put together a long, detailed thread on Wilton.com with my favorite links for the free videos, and information on fee-based classes/courses. You are welcome to take a look. I hope it is helpful. I have grouped each section under skill set level (New Decorators, Basic skills, Basic to Medium skills, Medium-Advanced, and Advanced skills.)

"How-To tutorials/videos for Cake Decorators"
http://www.wilton.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=8&;threadid=160184

ApplegumPam Posted 6 Jul 2012 , 10:03pm

Wow - some of your guys are way harsh about these Craftsy online classes. icon_surprised.gif

I think they are great value - mine cost under $25 - Marina's under $20 - look out for deals & discounts on other cake sites

I don't think there is any comparison with FREE youtube videos - these are professional done and it shows! there is no cat walking through the background or screaming kids watching TV.

To take a face to face class with cake decoraters of this calibre (and by that I mean able to command International Class Fees in excess of $1,000) is just not on the "possible" chart for a lot of people - to have access to this for less than 1/60th is indeed something to be appreciated.

I am not a novice decorater - started over 30 years ago - never been a full time business for me and have chunks of that time where cakes were put on hold to allow for different priorities (eg children) I can honestly say I have learnt more in the last 5-10 years than in the entire time I have been decorating - there has been a flood of cake 'stuff' enter the marketplace - tools, products, etc - all bringing with them the challenge of re-learning what you thought you knew.

I'm not sure what people are expecting for twenty bucks these days but I think anybody considering purchasing these WILL get their monies worth.

I have purchased 3 - Jacqueline Butlers, Marina Sousas and Joshua Russell

TOTAL spent - less than SIXTY DOLLARS !! - to do a class with Jacqueline and Marina when they were recently here in Australia would have set me back close to $3,000 (and yes Aussie Dollar is at parity with yours now) - think this represents GREAT VALUE!

As for Jacqueline Butler being boring? Don't agree with that, but if you find that with anything on the internet you have the option to fastrack and for the rest that enjoy the in depth information - its there for them TOO!!

Craftsy gets a big thumbs up from me

mlsousa Posted 6 Jul 2012 , 10:47pm

I wish you had actually watched the entire course... You would have seen that the "gaping" holes icon_smile.gif were covered nicely with borders and embellishments. Isn't it awesome that Craftsy offers refunds? Glad you took advantage of that opportunity!

While I tend to be a perfectionist I find when teaching it's not about perfection it's about not being judgmental of yourself while learning new techniques! It is just cake after all icon_smile.gif

I'm thrilled with Craftsy and am so excited that they have made such amazing courses affordable to the masses icon_smile.gif they've got some awesome new classes in the works!

If anyone would like a discounted link please feel free to email me personally: marina@justcake.com

Enjoy! -Marina


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Originally Posted by nanefy

Well I'm going to rock the boat here - I've had TWO refunds for craftsy classes - one for the topsy turvy and one for the supposed 'advanced' fondant techniques. I have screen shots of the really terrible fondant work from the advanced fondant techniques so that I could prove why it most definitely was not 'advanced' work. Squashing fondant in at the corners because you can't get it to look nice, is not advanced work - also gaping and I mean gaping holes at the bottom of tiers is also not advanced. I don't know if filming the craftsy classes is stressful or if they have a time limit in which to film everything but if you are advertising your class as advanced, I'd expect the fondant work to be at least as good as my own if not better.

I have the Jacqueline Butler class and the Piping course by Josh, both are really good, but Jacqueline's is the clear stand out winner for me. The other two I never even watched in full before asking for a refund.

There ARE DVD's out there where the fondant work and the stuff they are teaching is fantastic, I'd rather buy those than recommend the two classes I've had refunds for.


costumeczar Posted 7 Jul 2012 , 1:04am
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Originally Posted by ApplegumPam


As for Jacqueline Butler being boring? Don't agree with that, but if you find that with anything on the internet you have the option to fastrack and for the rest that enjoy the in depth information - its there for them TOO!!




I didn't say she personally was boring, I said that the entire video was so slow-paced and boring that I fell asleep. That's the same thing for most cake videos that I've seen though, that one was nothing special in that respect. I fast-forwarded through most of a few very popular ones (I'd better not say which ones or everyone will have a hissy fit) because they were so basic and slow-paced.

Also, I bought it because I figured that I'd get something out of it, but I already knew the material that was covered, so I really didn't learn anything new. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I remember that I thought it covered more than it did, or different stuff, or whatever.

I got the one from Baking Arts about how to do the chocolate stripes technique, and I seriously had to watch it about 6 times to get all the way through it! I kept falling asleep, his voice is hypnotic and the technique is so slow just by nature of how it's done. I did get something out of that one, but it was difficult to watch.

AnnieCahill Posted 7 Jul 2012 , 10:30am

For beginners they are probably useful. For costumeczar and people like me who have been decorating for 15+ years, some of the videos are probably not as beneficial. At the end of the day it all comes down to practice. I don't do much string work because I haven't practiced it in so long, and truthfully no one asks for it. So I probably will not purchase any of the videos because there is nothing that I haven't heard or seen before.

gscout73 Posted 7 Jul 2012 , 8:09pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by nanefy

Well I'm going to rock the boat here - I've had TWO refunds for craftsy classes - one for the topsy turvy and one for the supposed 'advanced' fondant techniques. I have screen shots of the really terrible fondant work from the advanced fondant techniques so that I could prove why it most definitely was not 'advanced' work. Squashing fondant in at the corners because you can't get it to look nice, is not advanced work - also gaping and I mean gaping holes at the bottom of tiers is also not advanced. I don't know if filming the craftsy classes is stressful or if they have a time limit in which to film everything but if you are advertising your class as advanced, I'd expect the fondant work to be at least as good as my own if not better.

There ARE DVD's out there where the fondant work and the stuff they are teaching is fantastic, I'd rather buy those than recommend the two classes I've had refunds for.




I purchased the "Advanced Fondant Techniques" course and was highly disappointed. In the segment where she supposedly demonstrates lace, it lacked. I am not a pro, but I am not naive to how "advanced" fondant work is supposed to look like. I really want a piping and flower instructional video, but am not going to purchase from the Craftsy instructor. icon_sad.gif

DeniseNH Posted 8 Jul 2012 , 1:07am

I took both Josh's class and Marinas. Josh's was fantastic and I did learn a lot. He's a great teacher. Can't wait to watch it again. There was a couple technical glitches but nothing major. I've been decorating for 16 years and got a lot out of his class. Now for Marina's class. First, must be my computer because the course halted every 10 seconds and Marinas face turned into little squares. Terribly frustrating so I had to watch it in small segments. This didn't happen with Josh's class. Marinas course for the most part was for beginners but I did get a couple good tips out of it. And I take exception to the person reporting that her work had gaps at the bottom. Until I can decorate a cake backwards, and within a certain time frame............... Some of the bottom edges of her boxes were rough but come on, they were going to be covered in a fondant ribbon anyway so who cares. I also agree that they should grade the classes for beginners, intermediate and advanced. Can't wait for more.

bitabread Posted 8 Jul 2012 , 2:00am

I took the Topsy Turvy class and it was a disaster! the construction part (which is the most important part for a topsy turvy) involved a lot of eye balling and it did not turn out like the guy was showing on the video. I did signed up for the pipping class and I'm curious to see how that one is but I definitely do not recommend the topsy turvy class. I didn't know I could actually get a refund so I might try to do cause I was very angry I had paid for that crap, so disappointing!.

MaurorLess67 Posted 8 Jul 2012 , 5:50pm

I took the Advanced Fondant with Marina Sousa- and I was THRILLED!!! I would have paid double for it!!! I thought Marina's teaching style was well executed- I'm a teacher, and it's a lot harder than many think.

I was very appreciative that little hic-cups occured- Marina was able to demonstarte how to rectify them- and even when everything went perfectly she would point out how things could go wrong with solutions and suggestions.

I really learned so much, enjoyed the format- can't wait to take more classes!

Thanks Marina and Craftsy- job well done!!!

Mo

Bakingangel Posted 9 Jul 2012 , 12:36am
Quote:
Originally Posted by ApplegumPam

Wow - some of your guys are way harsh about these Craftsy online classes. icon_surprised.gif

I think they are great value - mine cost under $25 - Marina's under $20 - look out for deals & discounts on other cake sites

I don't think there is any comparison with FREE youtube videos - these are professional done and it shows! there is no cat walking through the background or screaming kids watching TV.

To take a face to face class with cake decoraters of this calibre (and by that I mean able to command International Class Fees in excess of $1,000) is just not on the "possible" chart for a lot of people - to have access to this for less than 1/60th is indeed something to be appreciated.

I am not a novice decorater - started over 30 years ago - never been a full time business for me and have chunks of that time where cakes were put on hold to allow for different priorities (eg children) I can honestly say I have learnt more in the last 5-10 years than in the entire time I have been decorating - there has been a flood of cake 'stuff' enter the marketplace - tools, products, etc - all bringing with them the challenge of re-learning what you thought you knew.

I'm not sure what people are expecting for twenty bucks these days but I think anybody considering purchasing these WILL get their monies worth.

I have purchased 3 - Jacqueline Butlers, Marina Sousas and Joshua Russell

TOTAL spent - less than SIXTY DOLLARS !! - to do a class with Jacqueline and Marina when they were recently here in Australia would have set me back close to $3,000 (and yes Aussie Dollar is at parity with yours now) - think this represents GREAT VALUE!

As for Jacqueline Butler being boring? Don't agree with that, but if you find that with anything on the internet you have the option to fastrack and for the rest that enjoy the in depth information - its there for them TOO!!

Craftsy gets a big thumbs up from me




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