[quote="kelleym"][quote="BakingIrene"]

Yeah, this was really needlessly inflammatory. Just about every human being on earth has to defecate (hopefully) daily. We wash our hands, and continue with life.

No, not really??? I for one, am SHOCKED!!

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The sheer volume of new cake companies coming onto the scene is where it can really hurt an established inspected shop.

In AZ in the last year over 1500 new legal bakers came onto the scene. The reach of a new baker used to be rather small, just close friends and family. Now over 51% of Americans have facebook accounts with an average friend count of 245. That's over 187,000 people that now have a "friend" that now makes cakes "professionally" in my state.

If you have a friend that lays tile professionally, are you going to spend your time researching tile companies, or are you going to call someone you already have a level of trust with? I will always give a friend the first chance at my biz and I would suspect that most people feel the same way.

A CFL can and will aid a lot of companies in closing their doors. Whether you are one of them or not may come down to how you position yourself in the market and how you operate your business.

Best of luck!

It still comes down to unequal business expenses. It has absolutely nothing to do with quality or a cheap cake.

Again, like in any debate or persuasion, the CFL advocates can find stats to prove a point but leave out those that do not support the cause. It's up to the other side to find that information.

Economically, it is not a level playing field no matter how you present it or argue it. It could have been, but instead, it was a case of, "Ask for as much as you can and see what you get". That is obvoius. Lawmakers don't have the time to devote to such a small portion of the business segment, so CFL passes because it makes them look good... a man for the little guy. Who cares about the now struggling very small segment of businesses that are adversely affected. The broader picture is that even though CFL will affect only a small number of those who actually take advantage, it just looks good politically without having to do anything. So few of the total population actually take advantage of it that all it did was make a once stable industry a sea of drowning businesses, not only suffering from an oversaturated market, but unable to survive because of unrealistic pricing.

The poster that likened this to a cleaning service is not getting the point. She chose to do business her way. But everyone in the cleaning business has the same rules and requirements to be in business: Pay your licenses and taxes. There are not two sets of rules and levels of investment for entry in that field.

And I haven't said this in a long time, but baking is not the one single option separating anyone from earning a living. There are plenty of jobs out there that do not require special licensing. Those who bake at home do it because they want to do it. Another job just isn't as fun. Well, that fun factor is a sad reason for hurting many people who have saved and sacrificed to own a baking business.

I just skipped page three so I went back and read it.

I have been in marketing in some form since the 1990's. The fittest survive model does not work in small home businesses. People will ignorantly sell under cost for years out of ignorance. We see this unrealistic pricing on CC every day. Proof.

I was never referring to myself as being adversely affected. My business will go big. I happen to be retired by the age of 45 and did not have to work. This business is for my high-achieving daughter. She will reap these bigger benefits, but we have set it up for her, just as we provided similar opportunities for our other children.

If you think those little businesses that don't pay taxes are not our business, you are very wrong. I will not state our tax level, but understand that it is high. Those of us who pay also pay the tax bill for all of those who don't. That is everyone's business. It is also an issue when taxes must be paid for license renewal. Where there is no license, no checks and balances on taxes.

When I refer to bakeries, I am correctly using the word for every baking business. The size is not relevant.

Another statistic you are obviously leaving out in your argument is the statistic on food illnesses in the baking industry in general. When my liability policy is under $400.00 for the whole year, that is a safe industry in general. Why didn't you include that instead of lumping CFL to the entire food industry? We pay malpractice and construction general liability in our other two businesses. No comparison.

And that cake you feel that you should bake should be baked. But for commercial purposes, it is unfair.

I would not have other feelings if CFL were available in my area. I am stating my case from an economic standpoint, not personal. But I have made CC friends with many people who have struggled to make their dream come true. This is what concerns me. But any case that makes an unlevel playing field is something that I oppose. Except affirmative action. I see that as a true correction of a past wrong. Not, "Nobody let me bake cakes".

I used to be a full time high profile makeup artist. I've worked on movie sets, I've done makeup for celebrities.

A couple of years ago, thanks to YouTube, the
Makeup artistry became very popular. Every person who watched a how to makeup video on YouTube, decided they wanted to be a makeup artist.

This is very similar to the caking boom going on now.

Where I once made $4,000 a weekend doing makeup for weddings an high fashion events, I was losing some business because every chick that sold Mary Kay thoUght she was suddenly a makeup artist.
These things are always temporary and it comes with the territory of owning your own business.

If your work is exceptional and you are great at what you do, that will shine through, no matter the industry. Eventually those people who offer subpar and mediocre services will die out.

No matter your industry, you HAVE to plan for the downs, while you're experiencing an up. The mediocre and subpar will ALWAYS weed themselves out.

Not to keep up the debate with kelleym, but in my experience, people who underprice do it for a lifetime. They don't know any better and it's a way of life. It can bee seen in any cottage industry.

Please, if you are going to argue with me, get it straight. YOU compared CFL to the entire food industry in food illnesses. My other statement referred to a level playing field.

Please keep your rebuttals straight instead of working so hard to just state the opposite.

Update from original poster---

The newest caker in town decided to jump the gun on the 25th and accepted a wedding cake order made in her home kitchen for last weekend.

3 tier Carrot Cake with Cream Cheese Frosting and real flowers for 150 people PLUS a 2 tiered Chocolate groom's cake with Ganache Icing. The bride called me first and turned down my $6.00/serving price. She then called the only other legal baker in town and turned down her $5.00/serving price.

I don't know what she ended up paying, but I know I can't make that much cake with premimum ingredients like cream cheese and ganache for any less than I quoted.

My state's new CFL income limit is $25,000 and there are no inspections of the home required. The labeling requirement reads that wherever items are displayed for sale there must be a plaque or signage stating that the items were not required to be inspected.

The only limit on what can be produced are perishable fillings, but considering that the wedding cake for 150 people that was just supplied by an illegal baker (that will magically turn legal on the 25th) was iced with cream cheese frosting I do have to wonder if her methods will change?

If she's operating illegally, report her. If her home bakery ends up offering products that are illegal under the CFL that can undermine your marketing strategy.

Yes same state. And I am very ok with our regulations, I hope that it does help to weed out those that shouldn't be making food for others to consume. As far as it supposed to help find out how to run a "real " business that is exactly what I was looking for my husband and I have talked about me opening a store front for a couple years but right now it just isn't in the cards, but we agreed that if I could make money under the cottage law then we would look at store fronts.