cakeRocket Posted 25 Jan 2012 , 4:45am
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OK, so i've been searching CC for the last 3 hours and have read numerous posts about US based home kitchens but nothing for the Canadian bakers...so, after the last 2 years of getting my hands dirty with baking and practicing and trying to perfect my baking I'm ready to start the long process of starting an official "home based kitchen". I've contacted the city and know that i need to get a separate kitchen that has to get inspected by the health officials. I have an undeveloped basement where i store all my cake stuff now but it's not an official kitchen, just storage . Just wanted to know what others have done to try and get a kitchen in their basements? Is it even worth it or is it better to rent commercial space? What do i need to officially pass the inspection? Any pictures some would like to share of their kitchens?

I feel overwhelmed then anything else...any advice? Thanks in advanceicon_smile.gificon_confused.gif

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shalini1 Posted 26 Jan 2012 , 1:51am
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Hello and welcome to CC!

There is at least one discussion I know of that exists for Canadian cakers and it is under this forum: Cake Decorating Business / Ontario, Canada Regulations - Home Bakery. Sorry I don't know how to post the link to that discussion, otherwise it would make your life so much easier.

As far as renting a space versus using your own, I think it will depend on what you think will be more cost effective. I've researched the food incubator in Toronto and last I checked, their kitchens are still closed until further notice. I don't know if they were planning on re-opening. The average cost of a commercial kitchen I found when shopping around (and this was going back 3 years), cost about $35/hour. Again, this is in Toronto. Perhaps it will be cheaper elsewhere.

As far as a basement kitchen, I know you'll need a separate kitchen that will be used solely for your business. It depends where you are, as some cities may be a bit more open to certain requirements.

I hope that helps you get started!

~sc

cakeRocket Posted 27 Jan 2012 , 6:43pm
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Thanks for the info shalini1! I have looked into city bylaws and there are a lot of hoops i have to jump through to get started. I know renting a space will set me back $30/hr in some places but not sure if i want to resort to being put into such a time restraint. I'm thinking having the option to go into my basement would be a much better option for me as i do have little ones at home.

I still lots of research to do but can anyone give me a price point for such an undertaking? I don't need to know how much to spent exactly but having a hard time trying to figure out how much this might actually cost. Like i said, my basement is completely undeveloped and i would be doing most of the work with help from friends and family. So much to think about...thanks for any adviceicon_smile.gif

SwtCanuck Posted 29 Jan 2012 , 12:23am
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I know that in BC you have to have an area that has it's own entrance. Does your basement have it's own separate entry? My husband transformed the garage into my bakery. It turned out fabulously! I love being at work but still being close to my kids!

cakeRocket Posted 19 Mar 2012 , 2:55am
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I know that in BC you have to have an area that has it's own entrance. Does your basement have it's own separate entry? My husband transformed the garage into my bakery. It turned out fabulously! I love being at work but still being close to my kids!


I wish i could have something like a garage but i live in the Suburbs so my garage is attached to my home and that's my husbands domain. I don't have a separate entry either and i don't believe that's a bylaw for the city, at least not one that i have been told about. My basement is taking shape, slowly, but i'm starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel icon_smile.gif Thanks for all the great advice and input!

cashley Posted 19 Mar 2012 , 3:18am
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I think that every jurisdiction is different and your regulations might not be the same as someone else. Where I live we cannot sell from our home period. We cannot have a kitchen in our house nor bake to sell from our home. I am curious as to which province you live. If someone in the same vicinity as you it might help you better.

dolcebaci Posted 19 Mar 2012 , 3:49am
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I have spoken to the Health Department and they have advised me the for the city of Toronto. Home Bakery's are NOT ALLOWED.

They have not way of regulating the product.

Just wanted to share that.

cashley Posted 19 Mar 2012 , 3:59am
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I have spoken to the Health Department and they have advised me the for the city of Toronto. Home Bakery's are NOT ALLOWED.

They have not way of regulating the product.

Just wanted to share that.




Same here in London that is why I am curious as to where this person lives

cakeRocket Posted 19 Mar 2012 , 4:09am
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Originally Posted by dolcebaci

I have spoken to the Health Department and they have advised me the for the city of Toronto. Home Bakery's are NOT ALLOWED.

They have not way of regulating the product.

Just wanted to share that.



Same here in London that is why I am curious as to where this person lives


I live in Calgary, Alberta and we are allowed a home bakery as long as we abide by all the rules set by the city. These rules include a health inspection.

pmarks0 Posted 19 Mar 2012 , 4:27am

I'm in Ajax and as long as your area in the city is zoned it's okay. I haven't called the zoning department yet, but I know other home based bakers in the area so I'm pretty sure it's okay. Then on eneeds an inspection by the health department. They said technically I don't need a separate kitchen, but I need a 2 compartment sink, separate handwashing sink, separate storage, absolutely no pets, separate fridge and freezer, everything sanitized, I have to post the hours of operation as well as the inspection (I think) and be preparaed for ad hock inspections. And you have to have insurance.

mallorymaid Posted 19 Mar 2012 , 8:08pm

I'm in Eastern Ontario and as for the Heath unit here if I am going to be doing any wholesale selling then I would need to have a separate kitchen with it's own entrance, that adheres to all of their other requirements, ( 3 compartment sink, non porous wall coverings, ventalation-depending on cooking equipment, etc). If I am only going to sell to regular "Jane and John Doe's" then they do not get involved as I am entering into a one on one contract with the customer directly.

carmijok Posted 19 Mar 2012 , 8:32pm

This has nothing to do with what the OP is talking about. I'm just amazed at how most homes in Canada have basements and we live smack in the middle of Tornado Alley and most homes here don't. I'm jealous. (BTW it's storming outside now which is why I thought of this!) OK...go back to your topic...! icon_biggrin.gif

MsGF Posted 19 Mar 2012 , 8:42pm

carmijok; you are welcome to sit out the storm in my basement ! LOL While your down there would you do some laundry?! LOL icon_smile.gif

Anyway, I'm in Eastern Ontario too and I am licensed and all that jazz.

The rules in Canada, even Ontario vary greatly from place to place. Luckily it was a simple process in my town.

Good Luck to the rest of you, I love working from home.

Happy Baking

ctucker Posted 26 Jun 2012 , 2:20am

Reviving a very old thread here. Just want to say I live in New Brunswick and here things are regulated provincially. The Health Act is very flaky. From reading it I understand that I CAN get my kitchen licensed so long as it meets requirements. It does not state anywhere as to whether I NEED to. It does say that if I am producing food for sale at public market (flea market, bake sale, farmers market etc.) that I do not require an inspection. So basically, I can make a cake/cookies/whatever and sell it to somebody so long as I set up at the market without any regulations or inspection but I may require one if I want to make cake for events and parties (yeah...that makes no sense to me). I jokingly suggested to my husband that maybe we go to the market weekly with treats and advertise that we can make custom treats so long as the customer agrees to pick them up from the market the following week. I am waiting to hear back from the health department with my questions, in which case I will be sure to update this post.

** Please note ** This is from my own interpretation of the regulations. Please consult them yourself before making any decisions. I cannot be held liable for misinformation

BakingIrene Posted 26 Jun 2012 , 3:46am

Well most houses in Canada have basements because that is the only way to keep the water pipes from the street protected from freezing and bursting.

littlestruedel Posted 26 Jun 2012 , 5:34am
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Originally Posted by ctucker

Reviving a very old thread here. Just want to say I live in New Brunswick and here things are regulated provincially. The Health Act is very flaky. From reading it I understand that I CAN get my kitchen licensed so long as it meets requirements. It does not state anywhere as to whether I NEED to. It does say that if I am producing food for sale at public market (flea market, bake sale, farmers market etc.) that I do not require an inspection. So basically, I can make a cake/cookies/whatever and sell it to somebody so long as I set up at the market without any regulations or inspection but I may require one if I want to make cake for events and parties (yeah...that makes no sense to me). I jokingly suggested to my husband that maybe we go to the market weekly with treats and advertise that we can make custom treats so long as the customer agrees to pick them up from the market the following week. I am waiting to hear back from the health department with my questions, in which case I will be sure to update this post.

** Please note ** This is from my own interpretation of the regulations. Please consult them yourself before making any decisions. I cannot be held liable for misinformation




From what I understand we have the same regulations in BC. If I want to bake and sell from home I need a seperate kitchen, but if I want to bake and take that to the market and sell it in a dirty field, that's okay! That makes no sense at all to me!
I think we need to get the wheels rolling on a Cottage Food law for Canada!

Does anyone know who to call to find out the exact regulations? Should I be calling the Ministry of Health or my own municipality? I live in the sticks, and I'm fairly certain my municipality would have no idea of what the rules are!

littlestruedel Posted 26 Jun 2012 , 5:35am
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Well most houses in Canada have basements because that is the only way to keep the water pipes from the street protected from freezing and bursting.




And on the West Coast we have to have basements so other people can live in them and help us pay our mortgage!

AMACakes Posted 26 Jun 2012 , 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by BakingIrene

Well most houses in Canada have basements because that is the only way to keep the water pipes from the street protected from freezing and bursting.



And on the West Coast we have to have basements so other people can live in them and help us pay our mortgage!




Sorry this is off-topic

HAHAHA Love it littlestrudel. Isn't that the truth. The housing prices in a lot of the major cities in Canada are astronomical. I could get three houses in some US cities for the price of one in Toronto.

I'm only a hobby baker so I haven't checked to see what my municipality's rules are on home baking.

Motorhead Posted 26 Jun 2012 , 1:58pm

i'm in Manitoba and checked the regs out two years ago. sounds like we might be similar to other provinces, in that we need a seperate entrance, sanitized equipment ect, seperate bathroom, subject to inspections, but most importantly it states you need to have your food handlers certificate. i priced it out and figure it would cost me approximately $10-15 grand to start. i think i'll stick to hobby baking for now!. good luck!

PinkLotus Posted 26 Jun 2012 , 11:16pm

I'm in Alberta, and have only done a small amount of research (hobby baker only), so if I'm wrong or have out of date information, feel free (and please do!) to correct me. From what I've read, in Alberta you have to have a separate kitchen, unless you're selling at Farmer's Markets. That's the one exception!

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