Your Input On Speech To Persuade Topic Involving Cake

Lounge By fedra Updated 9 Nov 2011 , 7:00am by JanH

fedra Posted 2 Nov 2011 , 1:23am
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Hi!
I'm currently taking a public speaking course and one of my assignments is to present a speech to persuade an audience. I have decided that a good topic for me would be : scratch cake VS box mix. I know this horse has been beaten to death however I want to persuade my classmates to use scratch cake (just my personal preference). Aside from bringing in a sample of a scratch cake and a box mix cake, are there any suggestions you guys have?
Why do you bake from scratch? Is it cheaper or quicker for you to bake from scratch? Also, do you know of any research studies or fun comparison that have been done using box/scratch that I can look up and use as a reference. Of course Im going to quote all the realiable sources/bakers on cakecentral! Thanks so much!
Fedra

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jason_kraft Posted 2 Nov 2011 , 1:37am
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Scratch vs. box might be a tough one, since there are valid reasons to use both as well as the third option of a doctored box mix, so the makeup of the hypothetical audience would be key to tailoring your arguments.

For example, if you are pitching to bakery owners who make several cakes a week, you could put together a cost analysis to show that scratch baking is cheaper when purchasing ingredients in bulk (this might require some research online or at a local restaurant supply store). But if the audience consists of people who only make a few cakes a year then box mixes would probably be cheaper.

Maishelle Posted 2 Nov 2011 , 1:43am
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I have a client who's son is allergic to a preservative in box cake mixes. Another reason to bake by scratch. icon_smile.gif

SweetDreams_DK Posted 2 Nov 2011 , 2:14am
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I bake scratch because then I know what's in my cake. We need to pay more attention to what is in our food. Granted, cake isn't exactly health food, but at least I know that my cake is unbleached flour, non-aluminum baking powder, free-range eggs, butter and milk (from cows with no hormones), cane sugar, and pure/natural flavorings. Have you read the side of a box of cake mix? Do you know what each of those things is?

Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution series was great...check out this one where he explains to kids what's in the stuff they're making their ice cream sundaes out of: http://hypnosishealthinfo.com/jamie-oliver-ice-cream-sundae/

Pretty persuasive if you ask me! icon_wink.gif

shanter Posted 2 Nov 2011 , 2:20am
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Perhaps you could say that a Pillsbury Moist Supreme Reduced Sugar Devil's Food Cake mix has 24 ingredients, including such things as propylene glycol monoesters, polysorbate 60, and TBHQ. And the "reduced sugar" still means maltodextrin, sugar (sucrose), maltitol, cellulose (the sugar that makes wood strong), and sucralose (the non-nutritive sweetener).

Doesn't that sound just yummy?

TexasSugar Posted 2 Nov 2011 , 2:07pm
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Honestly, I'd say look back through all the posts on this subject and you will find many reason why people thoughts and opinions on this topic.

costumeczar Posted 2 Nov 2011 , 5:19pm
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I'd approach it from a "clean food" perspective. Even though it's a dessert so it's not like it's super nutritious, at least you know what you're eating when you're eating scratch cakes. Some of the chemicals that they use in boxed mixes include things that they also use in laxatives (keeps things soft, if you know what I mean). If you make note of some of those facts it can be pretty persuasive.

cakesrock Posted 7 Nov 2011 , 12:21pm
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I agree that the ingredients list is powerful. I took a health class years ago and that's how the topic was introduced. They read the ingredients from coffee whitener. There wasn't one thing in there I recognized or resembled anything that sounded like it could be used for consumption. I never wanted to consume it again.
I'm in ToastMasters and in reviewing the objectives of the "persuade with power speech" I would also include: appeal to the audience's interests and use logic AND emotion to support your position. Use children as a 'emotional' pull - what are people feeding their kids when they use these chemicals? what will it do to their health in the long run? Do we even know? Who wants to take that risk?
I switched exclusively to scratch baking from box mixes recently. Box mixes started to taste so artificial and overly sweet to me. There is so much 'fake' food out there and at least I can have some control by doing scratch baking. I used to think boxes were faster, but they are not - you still have to put in the eggs, oil, water/ milk etc and mix. I also doctored mixes so I was still adding sour cream, more flour, sugar etc...
And a price comparison would be good. I really don't think it's much more expensive, if at all. Persuasive argument: Would you pay 'pennies more' for real food and better health? I think that is why franchises like 'crave cupcakes' are popular - people want food that tastes 'real' again. I know I do...We've become accepting and complacent with being served chemicals. And who drives this agenda - huge corps trying to make money at the expense of our health?! How is that okay?

jason_kraft Posted 7 Nov 2011 , 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by cakesrock

I agree that the ingredients list is powerful. I took a health class years ago and that's how the topic was introduced. They read the ingredients from coffee whitener. There wasn't one thing in there I recognized or resembled anything that sounded like it could be used for consumption. I never wanted to consume it again.



The counterargument to that point would be that just because you don't recognize an ingredient doesn't mean it hasn't been thoroughly tested by experts at food safety organizations and deemed safe for human consumption. The safety of an ingredient depends on how it interacts with the human body, not whether it is artificial or naturally occurring (or how difficult it is to pronounce).

cakesrock Posted 8 Nov 2011 , 3:22am
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Originally Posted by cakesrock

I agree that the ingredients list is powerful. I took a health class years ago and that's how the topic was introduced. They read the ingredients from coffee whitener. There wasn't one thing in there I recognized or resembled anything that sounded like it could be used for consumption. I never wanted to consume it again.


The counterargument to that point would be that just because you don't recognize an ingredient doesn't mean it hasn't been thoroughly tested by experts at food safety organizations and deemed safe for human consumption. The safety of an ingredient depends on how it interacts with the human body, not whether it is artificial or naturally occurring (or how difficult it is to pronounce).



Granted, but just because the FDA tells me a product is safe for human consumption, doesn't necessarily make it appetizing.

jason_kraft Posted 8 Nov 2011 , 3:57am
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Granted, but just because the FDA tells me a product is safe for human consumption, doesn't necessarily make it appetizing.



Nor should an ingredient's unfamiliarity necessarily make it unappetizing.

JanH Posted 8 Nov 2011 , 12:13pm
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Honestly, I'd say look back through all the posts on this subject and you will find many reason why people thoughts and opinions on this topic.




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Unfortunately many of those old threads have been deleted by the mods.




There's a glitch in the search function software which makes finding old posts difficult. Why blame the mods for deleting posts so that they're permanently gone; when it's the software glitch which makes them currently unsearchable.

The Scratch vs. Box Mix Cake threads:

http://cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-594185-.html

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"Homemade" thread:

http://cakecentral.com/cake-decorating-ftopict-589024-.html

HTH

cakesrock Posted 8 Nov 2011 , 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by cakesrock

Granted, but just because the FDA tells me a product is safe for human consumption, doesn't necessarily make it appetizing.


Nor should an ingredient's unfamiliarity necessarily make it unappetizing.




Well, I guess that's a matter of personal preference....But the point of the speech is to persuade. It's not a debate.

jason_kraft Posted 8 Nov 2011 , 4:50pm
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My comment on deleted threads was based on my own observations over the past year or so, just about every time I follow a scratch vs. box thread it ends up getting deleted without warning. If the threads were locked instead (with a note saying this has been covered before with a list of relevant threads) at least the information in the thread would be preserved.

I've seen a "tagging" feature implemented on other forums which allows any user to add a tag to a thread so it can be associated with other threads with a similar topic, this might help compensate for the glitches in the search function.

JanH Posted 9 Nov 2011 , 7:00am
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My comment on deleted threads was based on my own observations over the past year or so, just about every time I follow a scratch vs. box thread it ends up getting deleted without warning. If the threads were locked instead (with a note saying this has been covered before with a list of relevant threads) at least the information in the thread would be preserved.

I've seen a "tagging" feature implemented on other forums which allows any user to add a tag to a thread so it can be associated with other threads with a similar topic, this might help compensate for the glitches in the search function.




I explained why threads were not easily searchable, so that old threads aren't readily available.

If you wish to discuss moderating policies or offer software solutions, please pm Heath directly.

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