Help regarding an unhappy bride, TWO months later...(long)

Business By cr8zchpr Updated 28 Jul 2010 , 9:32pm by MrsAB

Price Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 1:14pm
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I think your cake is absolutely stunning and I would love to try making something similar myself! Two months after the fact for a complaint on a cake is not reasonable. She gave you a great review, and served the cake to her guests. Your contract states 12 days for any issues. You have a picture of a perfectly beautiful cake sitting on the table at the venue. I agree, send her a copy of the contract and your picture at the venue and no refund!

Bskinne Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 1:29pm
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Beautiful cake, I think that everyone can see right through this bride. No refund, no free cake, don't even humor the notion...send the contract and a nice "go jump in a lake" note. icon_wink.gif

terrylee Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 1:34pm
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OH PLEASE.......If the photographer was that good and that expensive.....he should have the means to touch up the pictures..... you have NO control after you leave....who knows who touched the cake......

Your cake is beautiful....

auntbeesbaking Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 1:37pm
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I am just stunned! I read this to my husband and he asked how would I handle this. I said "not in a very Christ-like way." My husband's response: "are you saying Christ is a whimp?" In Biblical terms, I'm thinking she is a Pharisee. Now, I need to repent, right? icon_evil.gif
I do think God's real flowers have "imperfections" too. I would have tears of joy for producing such a cake!

My husband said people today don't want to take responsibility for anything. My husband said today young people today consider a "free lunch" their birthright!

juleebug Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 1:47pm
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With the 12 hour clause that you stated is in your contract and the on-site photo you have of an obviously undamaged cake, she doesn't have a leg to stand on legally. I would offer her nothing - no refund, no discounts on future orders, no free anniversary cakes - merely because, in public opinion, when people "settle out of court" it's as good as admitting guilt.

indydebi Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by auntbeesbaking

My husband said today young people today consider a "free lunch" their birthright!


I love your husband!! thumbs_up.gif

smokeysmokerton Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 2:03pm
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If it specifies that she had 12 hours to complain in the contract there really should be no more discussion. I'd send her a copy of it with that portion highlighted and call it a day.

That cake is beautiful. Really.

TexasSugar Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 2:04pm
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Do you have a photo of the cake set up at her reception? It's possible that after you set up and left, people were poking and prodding at the cake (they do that sometimes) and broke a few more flowers, which you certainly wouldn't be responsible for. If you've got a photo of the cake at the wedding and you've got her good review, I wouldn't offer her any kind of refund.

Does she have her wedding photos online? So many people do now, maybe you could see the cake in her photos and see what she was talking about, how it actually looks, etc...




I am wondering too if you could get a look at her pictures and see what it looks like. Do you happen to know the photographer she used, sometimes you can view their pictures online.

I'd be curious to see if someone didn't mess with the cake after you set it up, kids bumping into the table, adults touching to see if the flowers are real

Maybe someone should remind her that nature isnt perfect and that petals do fall off real flowers too. icon_wink.gif

lsmcvay Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 2:06pm
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I agree. Number one....lovely cake. Number two....you have a signed contract. Number three....her photographer did not spend enough time setting up for flattering pictures (so it isn't your problem). Number four....think of your good clients and don't let this one dampen your passion. Number five....do let other bakers in the area know who she is so that they won't have to deal with her either.

cakegrandma Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 2:10pm
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I wouldn't give her anything. Don't be rude to her, but I would re-explain the contract to her. Also mention you have pictures of the cake after delivery and the cake is in excellent condition in those pictures. So if something happened to the cake later in the day by the time the pictures where taken, you are not responsible for that.



I agree with the quoted post. I would not even offer to give her a cake as that admits that you may be responsible in some way. I would tell her to go fly a kit in a storm, complete with metal on the tail. icon_twisted.gifevelyn

Joshua_Alan Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by cr8zchpr

this is the cake at delivery site... the picture you seen first was inside the clubhouse I took those pics with my camera inside against this black wall was a nice spot, then I took it to the cake table. I do have a contract which states upon receipt of delivery my liability ends and the party's begins. I have a signature upon delivery on the last page of the contract for this very reason. I also have a clause that state they must bring up any problems within 12 hours of delivery. I have NEVER had this situation before so I was shocked to say the least.




Politely find a way to show her this specific clause in the contract and say 'fuck off' at the same time.

indydebi Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 2:17pm
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Your contract clause covers it. And look, if she had contacted you 2 days later, I'd probably take a different stand because "its only 2 days". But 2 MONTHS? She needs to get over herself.

Contract clauses can have a big impact. It worked for me. I had a bride who moved her wedding date. No problem.

Then she emailed me to say they had eloped to Jamaica and wouldn't be having the wedding, but could they use their deposit for a reception party? No problem.

Then she said they weren't going to have a reception party. Sorry to hear that. Thanks for letting me know.

Then she inquires about getting her deposit back. I refer her to section 12A (or whatever section it is) that says the deposit is non-refundable due to cancelation.

Then she says she paid more than the minimum so she could get the part above the minimum back. I cut-on-paste the part of the contract that states ALL payments made are nonrefundable.

I never heard from her again.

I am not a savings account where they can deposit money and then take it out again. If that's what they want, Chase Bank is right down the street.

Geesh, what if they got divorced? Would she want a full refund a year from now because the cake causes her sad memories?

Cindy619 Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 2:31pm
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Beautiful cake!!! There are definitely exemptions to "the customer is always right" and this would be one of them. From what we can tell, you did everything right - beautiful cake made to brides specifications, contract, pictures and even a great review by the bride herself. IMO, she has NO legal claim here...she's just looking for a way to recover from the expenses of the wedding.

I wouldn't call her - I would send her a formal letter in return plainly stating the facts. I would not offer her anything, because this might appear to be admission of guilt, or she'll say that she doesn't want a free cake, but the equivalent value in cash. Make sure that you do not sound personally offended - keep it strictly business. You might want to mention that you have pics of the cake that show it was in great condition when delivered, therefore its extremely possible that factors outside your control (like her own finger touching guests!) may have damaged the cake on site. We've all experienced the old "is this real?" as they poke their finger into our creations and break them.

I think we CCers seem all in agreement on this one!

Texas_Rose Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 3:53pm
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You have a contract, you have photos of the cake at the reception, you're totally covered. You even have her great review.

No refund, no offer of a free cake at some point in the future, no apology. Send her a copy of the contract with the appropriate areas highlighted, tell her you've got photos of the cake at delivery, and that you delivered as promised.

indydebi Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 3:58pm
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print the review before she decides to delete it.

Price Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 4:09pm
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print the review before she decides to delete it.




Exactly what I was thinking! thumbs_up.gif

cr8zchpr Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 4:22pm
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This is what she wrote as a review

"Most delicious and beautiful cake. All of my guests raved about the taste and how amazing it looked. Betty created a cake that went beyond what I had envisioned. Thank you SO SO MUCH!!!!"

How could that sentiment be gone after looking at a few broken flowers? I am just so sad and disappointed. I was unable to sleep last night just thinking about how I'm going to handle this. I know that I shouldn't get personal it's only business, but I feel at this point she is attacking me personally, since our business has long been over, and feel she is just trying to make a fool of me and that IS personal. I'm going to call her and let her know that after reviewing all my paperwork and pictures I take at the venue I really don't see anything that would warrant a refund at this late of time. Our contract has since lapsed, my obligation has been fulfilled and the tme frame for concerns has expired. Wish me luck!

CrumblesConfections Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 4:26pm
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You have the right things in your contract so I wouldn't worry about it. This is business the same as anything else. She can't go back to the venue and tell them "Oh me and my husband didn't like the way our wedding turned out so you need to give us our money back." Uh, no!!! Sorry, wrong number, try your call again.

indydebi Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by phoxphire1

Sorry, wrong number, try your call again.


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step0nmi Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by cr8zchpr

This is what she wrote as a review

"Most delicious and beautiful cake. All of my guests raved about the taste and how amazing it looked. Betty created a cake that went beyond what I had envisioned. Thank you SO SO MUCH!!!!"

How could that sentiment be gone after looking at a few broken flowers? I am just so sad and disappointed. I was unable to sleep last night just thinking about how I'm going to handle this. I know that I shouldn't get personal it's only business, but I feel at this point she is attacking me personally, since our business has long been over, and feel she is just trying to make a fool of me and that IS personal. I'm going to call her and let her know that after reviewing all my paperwork and pictures I take at the venue I really don't see anything that would warrant a refund at this late of time. Our contract has since lapsed, my obligation has been fulfilled and the tme frame for concerns has expired. Wish me luck!




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Good for you! Let us know how it goes and stand your ground!

I think it's ok for you to let yourself feel this is personal...but don't let yourself feel that way for too long. She had buyers remorse and you have no control over the crazies out there icon_rolleyes.gif

cakes47 Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 4:34pm
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Remember to print out a copy of the review and also attach that to your
e-mail to her. Good luck and let us know how it turns out for you. icon_smile.gif

deMuralist Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 4:38pm
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I would hesitate calling her, you would have no record of what you said. I would think a letter or email with all the appropriate attachements would be better, you would then have copies of all correspondance.

Ladiesofthehouse Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 4:44pm
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After reading all of the posts and your responses I think there were 2 things that happened:

First, the bills are coming due post-wedding and the total is giving this bride a stomach ache,

Second, she just got the photo portfolio back from the photographer and he/she included closeups of the cake that may have highlighted the fact that there were a few broken blossoms that had previously gone unnoticed.

BINGO! A way to recoup the cake money from the wedding!

catlharper Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by cr8zchpr

This is what she wrote as a review

"Most delicious and beautiful cake. All of my guests raved about the taste and how amazing it looked. Betty created a cake that went beyond what I had envisioned. Thank you SO SO MUCH!!!!"
I'm going to call her and let her know that after reviewing all my paperwork and pictures I take at the venue I really don't see anything that would warrant a refund at this late of time.




After seeing your on-site photo and reading her review I have to totally agree with the others..nothing for her, no cake, no refund, nothing. BUT don't call her. Write a nice letter, include a copy of your photo at the site and make yourself a copy to keep in your files. There's no record of what was said or not said in a phone conversation. You want your word to be the final word. Enclose the contract with the 12 hour limit highlighted along with your letter and photo. I'll bet you don't hear from her.

Cat

Patty1030 Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 5:10pm
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She is crazzzzzyyyy! Your cake is beautiful. I agree with what everyone else say's, she probably has buyers remorse now. The day of my wedding day the florist placed some heavy flowers on my cake and the weight of the flowers made the corners/buttercream collapse on the cake. My wedding planner was great and tried to fix it but it was still noticable on the pictures. Did I care? NOOO (and my wedding cake was not as beautiful as yours)! My husband and I also paid alot of money for our pictures...that was one thing that we didnt want to be cheap about because at the end of the day, the pictures were the only thing we would have. You can see all the flaws on the cake and that by no means ruined my pictures. She can take a hike and I say NO REFUND! She is out of her bridezilla mind!!

samarinbooboo Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 5:16pm
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wow. That is a pretty cake. I agree with all the others. I got "had" one time and I won't again.

sweetlayers Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 6:26pm
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Keep your money, you earned it!

honeyscakes Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 6:58pm
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sounds like about time their credit card bills have started coming in and honeymoon is over icon_cool.gifYour cake is stunning! I LOVE it... VERY nicely done.. thumbs_up.gifoh and ALWAYS ALWAYS remember Murphy's law...MAKE EXTRAS!!!! even if the petals break you can stick another flower next to it to hide the flaw icon_lol.gif You should not give her any money back!!!
By the way...did you deliver the cake all stacked and ready? I want to make a cake with double layer tier...just like your 8" ..but was wondering if I can transport it all stacked and ready!
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karateka Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 6:58pm
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Please don't give this woman the time of day. You seem a nice lady. I'd hate to have to hurt ya. icon_lol.gif
Kidding, of course. Stick to your guns. Was every pic of me flattering from my wedding? Was every pic of my bridesmaids? No. That's why you have several to choose from. I truly wish I could say I was surprised at this behavior. Sigh...

Ruth0209 Posted 23 Jul 2010 , 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by Joshua_Alan

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Originally Posted by cr8zchpr

this is the cake at delivery site... the picture you seen first was inside the clubhouse I took those pics with my camera inside against this black wall was a nice spot, then I took it to the cake table. I do have a contract which states upon receipt of delivery my liability ends and the party's begins. I have a signature upon delivery on the last page of the contract for this very reason. I also have a clause that state they must bring up any problems within 12 hours of delivery. I have NEVER had this situation before so I was shocked to say the least.



Politely find a way to show her this specific clause in the contract and say ' off' at the same time.




Well put!

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