Making Sugarpaste Red Rose (Petal Dust???)

Decorating By angelogoo Updated 22 Sep 2013 , 2:02pm by andie3768

angelogoo Posted 17 Jun 2010 , 10:10am
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Hello all,
I am a newbie and i will be making a heart shaped birthday cake in 2 weeks time. The request is for a heart shaped cake with red roses. My question is what type of red colour will be good for a red gumpaste rose. Is there any petal dust colour that will look good on a red rose? Whats the best 5 petal rose cutter to get?

On another note, i am yet to buy the heart shaped pan. I have had a look and i have got 2 options, 2" and 3" heart shaped pans. Apart from the cost, which ones do you have the most luck with? Baking a 1 layer cake in the 3" pan or 2 layers with the 2" pan and sandwhiching them together.
Any more tips will be very much appreciated

Thanks for any help you can render,
Many thanks

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sheilabelle Posted 17 Jun 2010 , 11:02am
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I use Americolor super red for my gumpaste roses. Make sure you make your gumpaste in advance and color it as the color will deepen as it sets. For petal dust I use a como of charcoal and plum in the deep part of the rose. Hope this makes since. As far as pans, I have all 2" pans that when put together will give your 4" tiers. I think its just a matter of preference. HTH

artscallion Posted 17 Jun 2010 , 11:18am
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A trick I use with roses is to brush with petal dust, then steam, then dust again lightly. This gives the petals the velvety look that real roses have, particularly red ones.

angelogoo Posted 17 Jun 2010 , 11:19am
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Originally Posted by sheilabelle

I use Americolor super red for my gumpaste roses. Make sure you make your gumpaste in advance and color it as the color will deepen as it sets. For petal dust I use a como of charcoal and plum in the deep part of the rose. Hope this makes since. As far as pans, I have all 2" pans that when put together will give your 4" tiers. I think its just a matter of preference. HTH




Thanks Sheilabelle,
What do you mean by a como of charcoal and plum. Is it a combination of the two that you mean?

Many thanks

angelogoo Posted 17 Jun 2010 , 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by artscallion

A trick I use with roses is to brush with petal dust, then steam, then dust again lightly. This gives the petals the velvety look that real roses have, particularly red ones.




Thanks but what colour petal dust do you use? you didnt mention that.

Karen421 Posted 17 Jun 2010 , 12:51pm
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Make sure when you color your gumpaste you color enough. As I type this I am making 50 red gumpaste/fondant roses for a wedding cake, and I am about to run out. (I'm an idiot!) So, don't make my mistake!!!

artscallion Posted 17 Jun 2010 , 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by angelogoo

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Originally Posted by artscallion

A trick I use with roses is to brush with petal dust, then steam, then dust again lightly. This gives the petals the velvety look that real roses have, particularly red ones.



Thanks but what colour petal dust do you use? you didnt mention that.




Well, it depends. I actually do a pretty complicated process that you may not want to get into. I usually start with a very dark gumpaste in true red. Make the centers, then for each successive row of petals I add a little white gumpaste to what's left so that the petals are darker in the center and gradually get lighter toward the outer petals.

Then I dust with various colors, depending on the other elements of the cake. Sometimes I lightly dust areas of the larger petals with yellow to get a warm roses. Sometimes I dust just the edges with either a lighter or darker shade. It really depends on the color red you are using for the rest of the cake, whether or not you want to match that exactly, and how realistic or simplistic you want your roses to be to match your intended style for the cake.

As to specific colors I use, I use non-toxic chalk dust for my petal dust. They come in a 48 pack of many colors. None of them are named.

Remember too that gumpaste goes through a series of color changes on its own. After you first mix it and let it set, it will darken as the paste "ripens". Then after you make the flowers, they will lighten n color as they dry.

sheilabelle Posted 18 Jun 2010 , 12:06am
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Sorry, I meant combo (combination). : 0

ttehan4 Posted 18 Jun 2010 , 12:27am
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I petal dust red roses sometimes, but when I just want a true red rose I color my gumpaste with americolor super red and make all the roses. Then when they have dried I lightly airbrush them with red airbrush color. The airbrushing gives it a true red color without being to much and still gives it a shaded look.

angelogoo Posted 18 Jun 2010 , 8:33am
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The shop i use sell the Superflair Xmas red and the ruby red. Will these be any good. They also have the Wilton Red Red, Red (no taste) and the xmas red, burgundy. Which one will be better for a red rose?

Are the petal dust the same as powders? I havent used any of those before and i assume that i paint them on to the flowers when they dry. Do i mix them with water, alchohol and then paint them on?

Thanks for any help.

sheilabelle Posted 18 Jun 2010 , 11:06am
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I do use Wilton red, red (not taste) with a mix of Americolor super red. You just want to get it as deep a red as you can. If you use a little burgundy it will give you a little bit of a purple cast, it depends on the shade of red you are looking for. Make sure you have PS handy, when you add all of that color the gumpaste will get sticky and you will need to add the PS. As for petal dust or chalk, wait for you roses to dry and then use a soft brush to apply. After you are done applying the dust, turn on your tea kettle until you get a stream of steam and RUN (quickly pass through) your flowers through the steam. This will help set the dust so that it doesn't come off and it will also give the flowers a dewy look. Just be careful not leave them in the steam too long, they will get mushy. Water and gumpaste don't mix (ask me how I know, lol).

Karen421 Posted 18 Jun 2010 , 11:31am
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Edna has some great video on youtube for everything, from coloring fondant red, to making gumpaste roses. Here is a link to one and then you can find some of the others from there.




Seriously - she is GREAT!!!

erichazann Posted 29 Jul 2010 , 4:31pm
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Edna's videos are great! It's so nice to watch such a personable, sweet decorator! (I find a lot of decorators come off as cocky in their videos.)

For deep dark red, I like have used:

Chefmasters Xmas Red GEL - For this particular line (gel only), Xmas red is darker than Super Red or Red Red.

Chefmasters Super Red Liquid Gel (the kind Edna uses) - In the liquid gel, Super Red is the darkest (I think). Love the squeeze bottles! (Cool toned)

Americolor Super Red (Soft Gel Paste) - Also in a squeeze bottle, but not as liquidy. This is my favorite, because if you are REALLY picky about your reds, you can tell the difference between a warm and cool one, this is Warm and pretty much as dark as the CM Super Red. (I always buy at least the 4oz size because the store I go to charges 2.99 for the 1.75 oz sizes and only 4.99 for the 4oz!)

I was told by someone that Tulip Red/No Taste was the darkest for Chefmasters, but it is much more orangy and a lighter shade. You can just use a ton of it in icing to get a deeper color. (Red 3 causes the bitter taste, and no taste reds don't have it.) I use it now for Red Velvet cake, but for gumpaste or BC I would rather just use the Super Reds... most people agree that you can't really taste it.

I can't comment on Wilton colors, I have them in my stash but haven't used them. I think Xmas Red might be darker than Red Red because of the perception that cool tones are darker. Wilton says Xmas Red is cool and Red Red is warm. They recommend mixing them both in equal parts.

As for Petal Dusts, I would also use Plum or Charcoal muted to shade. I find that Luster Dusts show up much better tho and what I like to do is use CK Burgundy and/or Grape (Sunflower Sugar Art Burgundy is MUCH darker!) and blend it in nicely and it loses most of the over the top luster and then dust my (near empty) brush around the whole petal/area to spread a very subtle sparkle/glimmer effect. CK Claret looks like it would also be a good color. (I use small and medium "mop" style brushes.)

The store I go to repackages dusts, so it is hard to tell the brand.. I usually just have guess by container type. The Claret luster dust (SFA i think) they have looks way too bright to me tho (more raspberry ish), so I have never tried it, but the CK one looks nice and deep.

andie3768 Posted 22 Sep 2013 , 2:02pm
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I agree, Edna is the BEST!! I didn't know she also offered shading info.. I will be utilizing this today. 

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