How Would You Do This Rose Tier ?

Decorating By ttehan4 Updated 17 Nov 2009 , 4:03pm by anabelz01

ttehan4 Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 2:20am
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Heres the picture a bride sent me. She says the whole tier is covered in these rose petals. I think it would have to be a cone shaped tier or a tapered tier to get this look. She also thinks that the petals would be attached to buttercream...NOT! We will discuss that at her tasting. OH, and she said if I could make it look more real that would be great. I wanted to say "uh huh, that sure would, wouldnt it...lol" I thought the picture looked pretty real to me.

What do you think? How do you think this cake was done?
LL

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2SchnauzerLady Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 2:39am
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Wow! I'm going to have to watch this topic to see how to construct this one! I know it's beyond my skills, but I have to have something to aspire to!

ttehan4 Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 2:52am
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Well, I found a post from a magazine that this cake was featured in. It said it took 4 people 2 days to make this cake! Holy Cow. What should I charge..hmmm. Now its really got me thinking. It wont be cheap thats for sure!

sillywabbitz Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 2:58am
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There is a video that is similar on the Satin Ice Website.
http://rolledfondant.com/how.htm

Go to the last video , Ron Ben-Israel, it shows something similar. Hope it helps...it's amazing and she's nuts if she thinks it could look more realicon_smile.gif

leah_s Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 3:06am
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Yeah, I remembered that one as a Ron Ben-Israel. About $18-24 per serving?

newmansmom2004 Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 3:08am
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I've seen this cake before and I wondered how many tiers it was. It's hard to tell because of the fact that the photo is taken directly from above. It's absolutely gorgeous and if that woman thinks it can get any more realistic looking, I'd like to know how she thinks that will happen. Kudos to the decorator who had the patience to do this. icon_wink.gif

all4cake Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 3:18am
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Gosh! That's gorgeous!

JenniferMI Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 12:55pm
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WOW gorgeous!!!! WOW time consuming....

WOW

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Jeff_Arnett Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by ttehan4

Heres the picture a bride sent me. She says the whole tier is covered in these rose petals. I think it would have to be a cone shaped tier or a tapered tier to get this look. She also thinks that the petals would be attached to buttercream...NOT! We will discuss that at her tasting. OH, and she said if I could make it look more real that would be great. I wanted to say "uh huh, that sure would, wouldnt it...lol" I thought the picture looked pretty real to me.

What do you think? How do you think this cake was done?


That's a large round cake scultped into a dome shape. The central rose is about the first three-four layers of petals. The rest of the petals are individual one [I believe Ron said about 150 of them]. You ice the cake, then start at the bottom adding row after row of petals...then finally add the finished rose in the center of it all.

-K8memphis Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 1:46pm
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But I mean--why not buttercream? To me fondant would be harder. I mean if you do fondant you gotta use something to glue them on doncha? That would be an extra step?

Buttercream would just grab it first time no? Do you think the buttercream would melt the petals? I've done petal cakes before & they din melt.

Not a petal cake like that --I did a big pink ribbon one on a sheet cake--they din melt.

michellesArt Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 1:48pm
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imagine how long it takes to make small gumpaste roses and multiply that into a CAKE!! one to get that effect all the petals HAVE to be the exact same size and they would be huge as well-a lot of time and patience just for the roses and then you sculpt the cake too...hope she's not a budget bride

MaryAllison Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 1:59pm
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Ok, this one stopped my heart! It's beautiful and very unique, indeed, but, OH MY GOODNESS!

...watching and waiting for the final result!

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costumeczar Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 2:01pm
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You could do that with buttercream under the petals, no problem.

Make sure you charge her enough to pay for the carpal tunnel treatments that you'll need after making all of those rose petals! icon_wink.gif

-K8memphis Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 2:03pm
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Don't shoot me but I don't think it would take me that long to do this. It's not your Momma's birthday cake for sure but you slap out the petals in advance then ombre airbrush the color and then airbrush the shine, apply them. It's pretty straight forward yes?

You could even ombre airbrush the pink shine in one step huh--they have those airbrush shiney frosty colors now huh. I think the time eater is the coloring and, dude, whip out the sprayer huh.

Once you get going with the ball tool on the rose petals you just get faster & faster.

I'm almost feeling inspired to do one--it's sucha beautiful beautiful cake --my kid just turned 30 and she did a destination birthday celebration to Chicago--so before they left I made a plate of birthday pancakes including bacon & eggs for a birthday breakfast.

But no real bd cake--I dunno maybe maybe not--that I'd do one & time it I mean. I'd only be doing a small one though--10" max.

But that's so beautiful--I guess I need a profile shot of it too. The aerial shot is not scary to me.

You don't even have to smooth the icing! deliver me

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cylstrial Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 2:04pm
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Gorgeous cake! But they are right, holy heck that's gonna be a lot of work!

ttehan4 Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 2:08pm
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I thought buttercream would be a bad idea.

1. I wouldnt want to run the chance at all of those wilting after all that work
2. Each flower needs to be very percise in placement to have a clean look like that and I wouldnt want them to slide in the buttercream
3. I thought if I used fondant and attached them with royal or even gumpaste glue would be better

Anyone know where the link to Ron Ben-Isreal making this cake from the dome shape is? I watched the similar one on the Satin Ice video, but I would like to see this exact cake.

She is coming for a tasting/consult tomorrow. So we will see what she says about her budget. Here is picture of the other cake she sent me. She wants the rose to be the top tier and she said she is not sure about the bottom. Well, I have know idea what to do with the bottom to go with the top. Unless I cover it in petals like the top. She also want real butterflies in the vase. This cake is just over the top.
LL

-K8memphis Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 2:32pm
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I dry my fondant + cornstarch petals in a warming drawer at 150 degrees for two 2-hour periods too so mine become thin crispy candy too.

costumeczar Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 3:12pm
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What is this customer smoking? She wants real butterflies in the vase? How long would those take to die? Nice....

Let's take bets on how much she's going to be "willing" to pay you for this. I guess $150. Plus $10 for the butterflies. icon_razz.gif

MaryAllison Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 3:15pm
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Did I see "dew" on a few of the petals? Is that achieved with piping gel? If so, can someone tell me, please? (I've been a member for quite sometime, but I've only started decorating 4 months ago. Please forgive me for my "newbie" inquiries.)

Thanking you all in advance for your continued advice, tips and support!

Allison

K8memphis...have you started the petals, yet? We're waiting for your tutorial!!! icon_lol.gif

...off to google ombre airbrush!

ttehan4 Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 3:38pm
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I'm not starting anything until I have a deposit in hand! lol.

My guess is that she will not pay the price either. She didnt even ask about how much or anything. She contacted me intially through email, then called to confirm the appointment. She never asked a price. I am going to leave it up to her to get butterflies. I will tell her all my thoughts on it and I will put the poor little things in the vase, but I am not going to search for them in store or land..lol!

I'll keep you all posted after our meeting tomorrow morning.

To answer the dew question. Regular old piping gel or cornsyrup dripped on. Easy-peasy.

ninatat Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 3:51pm
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it would seem like you would have to stick the pedal's in bc, in fondant, in gumpaste it would be to hard and couldn't eat, but i think bc under the pedals to other wise it wouldn't have any dimention, i think they would look like they were just piled on, interesting cake.

MaryAllison Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 4:44pm
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Butterflies...really? That's just a cruel thing to do for an "effect!" Where's her empathy?

...no reply necessary. I just had to get that off my chest. I apologize for the topic detour.

newmansmom2004 Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 5:50pm
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Butterflies...really? That's just a cruel thing to do for an "effect!" Where's her empathy?

...no reply necessary. I just had to get that off my chest. I apologize for the topic detour.




I'm in total agreement. When I saw that bride on Masters of Reception who wanted the real butterflies released at her wedding, then they all died and were just lying all over the place - it totally grossed me out and I thought it was just cruel. The wedding planners were apparently told to keep the butterflies in a cool place before releasing them so they put them in the refrigerator! Half of them were already dead and when they released the other ones they just flopped around - a few actually flew but the majority of them were dead or dying. Really creepy.

I'd seriously steer her clear of that idea - you don't want kids freaking out, bawling and screaming, and adults getting nauseated by dead butterflies in the middle of the cake.

playingwithsugar Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by michellesArt

imagine how long it takes to make small gumpaste roses and multiply that into a CAKE!! one to get that effect all the petals HAVE to be the exact same size and they would be huge as well-a lot of time and patience just for the roses and then you sculpt the cake too...hope she's not a budget bride




I've seen that cake up close. He did a version of it for the gumpaste flowers class I had taken with him a few years ago. The petals are huge. And the cake is absolutely stunning.

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ttehan4 Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 8:20pm
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I would love to see a side view of this cake. I think the butterflies are cruel too. I am going to try and talk her into something else. I dont see how they would live with the cake on top of the vase anyway.

whit6 Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 8:47pm
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Is it just me who thinks this cake is actually kinda ugly? Maybe im just crazy but i think it doesnt really look good because there just WAY too many petals so it donest really look like a rose. Just my opinion

-K8memphis Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 10:27pm
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K8memphis...have you started the petals, yet? We're waiting for your tutorial!!! icon_lol.gif

...off to google ombre airbrush!




Don't hold your breath for a tutorial icon_biggrin.gif

Ombre just means darker to lighter so you would have your petals laid out in rows and you'd spray some of them with a second coat and some with a third coat and maybe a fourth coat so they go from light to dark--that's all I meant.

I mean what tutorial? Make a ton of rose petals & stick 'em in huh~~
I was just gonna time it & see how long it took.

MaryAllison Posted 7 Nov 2009 , 11:00pm
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That's funny, K8memphis! I appreciate the expedited tutorial.

Seriously, though, I thank you for the ombre description. I think even I can do this technique.

Make it a wonderful day!

Allison

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Jeep_girl816 Posted 9 Nov 2009 , 1:03am
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Originally Posted by MaryAllison

Butterflies...really? That's just a cruel thing to do for an "effect!" Where's her empathy?

...no reply necessary. I just had to get that off my chest. I apologize for the topic detour.


seriously! Watch out or you'll have PETA breathing down your neck!

indydebi Posted 9 Nov 2009 , 1:25am
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Originally Posted by K8memphis-

I mean what tutorial? Make a ton of rose petals & stick 'em in huh~~



icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif That's pretty much the concept behind any "tutorial" I might dream up: look at the picture, figure it out and just do it! icon_lol.gif

But let's play with the numbers that were offered earlier. 4 people, 2 days. Assume ONLY 8 hours per day. THat's 32 man hours per day x 2 days = 64 man hours. If we assume they are entry level and make a lousy ten bucks an hour, that's $640 just in payroll .... which doesn't include the bakery owner's payroll costs of workers comp insurance, payroll taxes, accountant expense for processing the payroll, etc.

If we assume they are of a higher skill level and make $15/hour x 64 hours = $960 just in payroll, plus all other expenses as listed above.

Any idea how big the 4 people 2 day cake was? If it serves 100, that's $9.60/serving JUST for the payroll. If it serves 50, that's $19.20/serving JUST for the labor. Then you'd have to add a cost for the ingredients, for the overhead (baking, mixing, clean up), for the profit margin.

I'd say anywhere between $25-$60 per serving.

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