cupcakesnbuttercream Posted 15 Jul 2009 , 11:39pm

If you use these, could you tell me a little more info about the product? Is there a difference in candy clay & modeling chocolate? Which is easier to use?

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drakegore Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 12:56am

modeling chocolate/chocolate clay/chocolate plastique are all the same thing: melted chocolate mixed with corn syrup which is then allowed to harden. then it is kneaded into a workable consistency that is similar to fondant and can be use for many of the same things as fondant is.

candy clay is the same thing but with candy melts and corn syrup instead of chocolate.

they are both super easy to make and if you can use fondant, you can most likely handle it with ease. semi-sweet chocolate is going to be the easiest to make and use the first time because of its lower fat content (relative to white or milk chocolate).

i love making flowers and ribbons with it but you can do so much more. it tastes great and people really do enjoy eating it.

diane

cupcakesnbuttercream Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 1:24am

Thank you so much for your help. When I see bakers use it on tv I always thought it was hard and how do they shape that?
So it's similar to fondant and I can make it myself! That's good to know.

Adevag Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 1:28am

I love when you can make your own product and choose your own ingredients. Does anyone know how much corn syrup to how many oz of chocolate (semi-sweet) that makes the clay? I have never used modeling chocolate but chocolate sounds tastier than fondant...

pattycakesnj Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 1:33am

if you use the wilton candy melts, the recipe is right on the back of the bag

drakegore Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 1:49am

i use Toba Garretts chocolate plastic which i love and has never failed me:

1 pound semi-sweet (dark) chocolate
5 fluid ounces (7.5 oz or 210 grams by weight) of light corn syrup...this is about 2/3 cup

1. Chop chocolate finely and place in a bowl over simmering water. Stir to melt chocolate evenly. When three-quarters melted, remove from heat. Continue stirring until all the pieces are melted.
2. Use a rubber spatula to stir in the corn syrup. Continue to stir until the chocolate starts to leave the sides of the bowl (about 60 seconds for dark chocolate, 20 to 30 seconds for white or milk chocolate).
3. Scrape chocolate mixture onto plastic wrap and spread out to about 1/2 inch thick. Place another piece of plastic wrap directly on top. Refrigerate or let rest in a cool place for 24 hours.
4. Once aged, cut into smaller pieces. Microwave the pieces for just a few seconds to take off the hard edge. Knead thoroughly with the heels of your hands until the chocolate has elasticity and a shiny coat. Wrap in plastic wrap until ready to use.

Keeps for several weeks without refrigeration provided it is placed in a cool, dry area.

For white or milk chocolate, use 1 oz less than you would for dark chocolate. Thus, use 4 fl. oz corn syrup or 6 oz/168 grams by weight for 1 lb. white or milk chocolate.

here are some more tips, most learned the hard way icon_lol.gif

....most recipes you find are going to have just about the same relative porportions of chocolate to syrup. i usually cut this recipe in half. there are also some good recipes on CC.

....milk choc/white choc (and candy clay i find) all have more fat, so you will want to adjust the recipe a bit as she mentions. you may also need to blot fat...el yucko. start with the semi-sweet, lol.

....a lot of recipes don't have the aging and i think this is important.

....easier if you let it come to room temp instead of microwaving before kneading because it is very easy to overheat and then you have to rip off a new piece and start over again because if it overheats it will get greasy, grainy, and floppy. don't throw the too warm stuff away. just tuck it back in fridge for later use.

...just knead until glossy. then STOP.

...i put the chocolate decorations right on top of my smbc and they stay very pliable (and tasty). my 5 year old peels them right off and eats them if i don't run interference...

....roses left out to dry will get hard...not hard like gumpaste, but hard enough to keep their shape.

....i have used petal dust on white choc flowers successfully.

ok, that's all i can think of for now icon_smile.gif.

oops, one more thing (sorry, i did not mean to write a novel).
here is a link to a website where the decorator/chef uses modeling chocolate for just about everything, including covering the entire cake).

http://www.dessertworks.net/weddinghome2.html

diane

Rylan Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 5:58am

I never had luck using chocolate chips. It turns crumbly.

cupcakeco Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 6:11am

Since it is the consistency of fondant, can it be tinted/dyed and used to cover cakes?

cupcakesnbuttercream Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 7:36am
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Originally Posted by RylanTy

I never had luck using chocolate chips. It turns crumbly.




so you use bricks/bars of chocolate instead?

Lee15 Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 12:01pm

Cupcakeco - if you use semi-sweet chocolate, it is dark brown so it's pretty difficult to add any color. I just finished up a 5-day class with Chef Toba and we were able to apply luster dust to the chocolate which gave it a beautiful finish.

Mylittleflutterby Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 12:34pm

Wow this thread is amazing! Drakegore thank you so much for that information! I have been looking for something to make chocolate brown flowers out of for some cupcakes I am making and was going to try MMF, but this sounds so much easier and yummy icon_biggrin.gif

I can't wait to try it.. infact I bet I have all of the ingredients already!!

kello Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 12:48pm

Can you use the colored candy melts to make the candy clay as well? I'm excited to try this.

drakegore Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 12:58pm

hi rylanty! i use the garden variety nestle chocolate chips (i am sort of embarrased to admit, lol). i have never gotten crumbly clay. hmmm. are you aging it? i age a minimum of 12 hours and if i can, i do 24.

lee15 - i am so jealous...toba garrett is my cake (and cookie) hero. her books are the best and i can only imagine how great it would be to have a 5 day class with her.

i have used gold luster dust on chocolate clay and i recently used the PME pearl spray on some white chocolate flowers that i dusted with pink petal dust and they looked so good (i might be biased, lol).

you can tint white chocolate but you need to use candy colors which are oil-based. the regular wilton and americolor gels will not work. i know you can use the regular gels with flo-coat but i have not tried this yet, so i cannot speak to it. but i love the candy colors and actually love them for my buttercreams and fondant too because the colors come out so vibrant.

another way to get color, is just to make the clay using the already colored candy chips. stores like michaels and acmoore carry a range of colors, but the colors you can get in cake supplie stores are usually more varied and also more vivid.

Rylan Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 2:29pm

Cupcakesandbuttercream, I've only done it once and that's it.

Diane, I used those Nestle chocolate chips from Costco. I think it's because I didn't let it settle. I popped it in the fridge until hard and then used it.

Andy383240 Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 2:49pm

I've tried to make this stuff before and followed the directions (I thought) and it still got crumbly. You all have inspired me to try again. I am impatient by nature , so I probably didn't knead it long enough. Thanks Drakegore!

yellobutterfly Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 4:26pm

ok, what about this - I've got 5 packs of white and regular "chocolate bark" on hand that I got super cheap after Christmas...would these work for candy clay? (I'm dying to use them for something before they go bad...)

txnonnie Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 4:53pm

What a wonderful thread!! I have been researching and wanting to do this. I think I will try once I get the chance.

sweetideas Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 5:02pm

Does anyone have issues with chocloate clay melting out of it's shape?

sweetideas Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 5:03pm

Does anyone have issues with chocloate clay melting out of it's shape?

mo_like_it Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 5:21pm

Wow! This was at the top of my list for new things to try! I just love CC! icon_biggrin.gif

xstitcher Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by yellobutterfly

ok, what about this - I've got 5 packs of white and regular "chocolate bark" on hand that I got super cheap after Christmas...would these work for candy clay? (I'm dying to use them for something before they go bad...)





Hey yellowbutterfly there's a recipe by Sugarflowers on here that uses almond bark. Here's the link:

http://cakecentral.com/cake_recipe-6383-4-Chocolate-Leather.html

and here's another one that mentions that you can substitute with almond bark:

http://cakecentral.com/cake_recipe-1608-3-Chocolate-Clay-Modeling-Chocolate.html


HTH!
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yellobutterfly Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 6:01pm

thanks xstitcher, I'll check those out!

drakegore Posted 16 Jul 2009 , 6:27pm

sweetideas - so far i have not had any melting issues with branches, ribbons, roses, other flowers, or plaques that i have made with the clay.

because i use smbc as my base, i apply my chocolate to a fridged cake. and usually, i stick the cake back into the fridge after i decorate (i don't put my roses in the fridge though unless they are totally dry...and i usually prefer them not totally dry). i bring to room temp is a cool room. but i have had the cakes in warm rooms after they come to temp and the chocolate is fine.

when i make roses and branches, i usually air dry them for a bit before putting them on and this dries them a bit (just like it would fondant) and they become even more durable. i have never had anything go "floppy" on me, lol.

it's a pretty stable medium to work with despite its melty origins icon_smile.gif.

diane

bobwonderbuns Posted 17 Jul 2009 , 4:53pm

Another option you have is JenniferMI's Pearl Clay. It's a hybrid candy clay/fondant mixture that has an awesome taste and is great for things like pearls and accents on cakes. In my pix I used it for the "tissue" part of the Tiffany Box cake. Delicious!! icon_biggrin.gif

ibmoser Posted 17 Jul 2009 , 5:15pm

I have successfully used the Americolor Flo-Coat to emulsify Americolor gel colors into both white chocolate clay and candy melt clay. I have also added gel colors to the corn syrup before stirring it into the melted candy or chocolate - just be aware that it will be greatly reduced in intensity of color and the yellowish color of white chocolate and most "white" melts will affect the final color. I have actually added just gel color to candy clay, too, and it kneaded in just fine. Guess the corn syrup makes that work....

toodlesjupiter Posted 17 Jul 2009 , 5:59pm

Hey Drakegore-
Is it easy to mold things out of like let's say.... a 6" foot? Or would I be better off making it from rice crispy treats covered in fondant? I've been wanting to try it but didn't know how easily you could model with it - other than flowers/ribbons, etc. TIA!

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