I Am So Bummed I Bought This Ck Hit-Ratio Is There Better?

Decorating By sadsmile Updated 31 Jul 2009 , 10:53pm by ceshell

sadsmile Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 4:58pm
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I don't really see any difference from Crisco other then the price which is 3x as much. Am I the only one who doesn't see the difference? I haven't made anything with it yet. So please tell me some magic happenes when you turn the mixer on. Right now I am staring at the same color and consistance as Crisco. I used to use a pre-creamed shortning i found at the grocery store but I moved and the nstore doesn't have it and doesn't know if they can get it yet. What brand do you use and why and how does it compair to crisco?

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mija10417 Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 5:03pm
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I ordered this a month ago and thought the same thing!! It actually looked a little lumpy to me but everytime I have used it, I definitely don't notice that greasy feel you get when using Crisco.

PinkZiab Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 5:07pm
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High ratio shortening is designed for bakers. It contains microemulsifiers that allow it to hold more liquid and sugar than standard shortening. It's named high-ratio because most recipes are more flour than sugar, but when you use high ratio as the fat the recipe will use more sugar than flour and hence be a high-ratio recipe. It also helps some volume bakeries because of the additional liquid it hold and it whips up lighter than regular shortening and everyone knows the cheapest things you can sell are air and water, so some volume bakeries use it to stretch a dollar.

In frosting, the microemulsifiers allow you to produce a creamier, lighter product than regular shortening. It's all slightly more heat stable than regular shortening.

sadsmile Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 5:12pm
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Pinkziab is that why their stuff tastes like nothin?
ROFLMBO. I just hope using it in my regular recipe it will perform better then Crisco because it doesn't look or feel any different and I hope I didn't waste my money on it. The pre-creamed I was using is soo super thick its hard like well almost like a really well frozen ice cream is-hard to scoop out. It's awesome snow white stuff that really holds up to the heat. I may have to sweet talk my store manager with some cake to get it. It is cheaper then 14 bucks a 3lb tub of Hi-rat too. My pocket is really feeling the injury.


Edit to spell check myself...DUH! But 'nuthin' was intentional icon_wink.gif

STRAWBERRY1390 Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by sadsmile

I don't really see any difference from Crisco other then the price which is 3x as much. Am I the only one who doesn't see the difference? I haven't made anything with it yet. So please tell me some magic happenes when you turn the mixer on. Right now I am staring at the same color and consistance as Crisco. I used to use a pre-creamed shortning i found at the grocery store but I moved and the nstore doesn't have it and doesn't know if they can get it yet. What brand do you use and why and how does it compair to crisco?




Oh magic happens alright, especially with shortening based buttercreams. I chef I use to work for showed me how if you replace 1/3 to 1/2 your butter with Hi-ratio it will give you a more stable IMBC and SMBC. And try indydebi buttercream with hi ratio..... devine...absolutely.

Happy caking,
Stacy

STRAWBERRY1390 Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by sadsmile

Pinkziab is that why their stuff tatses like nothin?
ROFLMBO. I just hope using it in my regular recipe it will preform better then crisco because it doesn't look or feel any different and I hope I didn't waste my money on it. The pre-creamed I was using is soo super thick it hard like well alsmost like a well frozen ice cream is-hard to scoop out. It's awesome snow white stuff that really holds up to the heat. I may have to sweet talk my store manager with some cake to get it. It is cheeper then 14 bucks a 3lb tub of Hi-rat too. My poket is really feeling the injury.




My two cents again,

I worked 3 years with that stuff and now at home. If it didnt look different than crisco or feel different than that is not hi ratio
Hi ratio is bright white like milk and it smells different and is much denser than crisco. I use sweetex because that is what I was taught with. Nothing else.

Good luck and happy caking

Deb_ Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 5:18pm
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I ONLY use hi-ratio now, I use butter also in my buttercream.

Once you get used to the measurements/conversions from Crisco to hi-ratio, you'll never turn back, especially in the heat it definitely holds up better.

If you're really concerned about the price difference you can bump your price a bit, but honestly you'll use less hi-ratio....I haven't bothered upping my price.

sadsmile Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 5:22pm
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Is Ck Hi-rat really Hi-ratio..?

SecretAgentCakeBaker Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 5:32pm
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Do you have Aldi near you? If so, try their Carlini brand. It has 3g of trans fat. Wal-Mart brand has 2g. The 2g & 3g stuff seems to work pretty well, better than the Crisco for sure. How much does the high ratio have?

Deb_ Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 5:55pm
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Don't confuse shortening containing trans-fats with hi-ratio, they're two different things.

I'm not sure what Ck Hi-rat is sadsmile..........where did you get it from?

sadsmile Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 6:00pm
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OK this is odd. I saved my last empty can of the good stuff I love so I could compair so here goes. All Based on one tablespoon serving size...

Crisco
Total Fat 12g
Saturated Fat 3g
Trans Fat 0g Falling short of 12g here not adding up.
Polyunsaturated Fat 6g
Monounsaturated Fat 2.5g

CK
Total Fat 12g
Saturated Fat 3g So how does that add up to 12g not even close!
Trans Fat 3.5g
Polyunsaturated Fat 6g
Monounsaturated Fat 2.5g


Pre-Creamed Shortning
Total Fat 11g
Saturated Fat 5g That doesn't that add up to 11g? But it is great
Trans Fat 1g
Polyunsaturated Fat 0g Stuff!
Monounsaturated Fat 0g


I seriously think they are just messing with us here!

sadsmile Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 6:15pm
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mpetty Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by sadsmile

It is cheaper then 14 bucks a 3lb tub of Hi-rat too. My pocket is really feeling the injury.




FYI, I recently bought 4 lbs. of Sweetex online for $7.99, so it's possible to get hi ratio shortening for cheaper than that. It definitely does away with that greasy Crisco feeling and makes a creamier icing -- my bc roses are much better using hi ratio.

tonedna Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 6:36pm
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I used high ratio from CK a few years back and it was a lot better than Crisco, and my Icing did came better than the one I made with the crisco. I am wondering if they changed the recipe. But I do see a difference from high ratio and crisco. My favorite still is Sweetex..
Edna icon_smile.gif

chilz822 Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 7:34pm
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mpetty, where did you find it for that price? I'm using the CK brand (love it!) and there's a definate taste/texture difference, but I'd also like to experiment with Sweetex

glendaleAZ Posted 13 Jun 2009 , 9:03pm
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Hi Edna.

I just purchased some sweetex today (never used it before) and was wondering what consistency do you frost your cakes in medium or thin. I will also be using your buttercream recipe if that makes a differnece.

Thank you,
Tammy

mpetty Posted 14 Jun 2009 , 12:27am
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I found it at www.thebakerskitchen.net although I was wrong on the price; it's actually $8.99 for 4 lbs., not $7.99 That's still better than the price I found for the CK, though.

sadsmile Posted 14 Jun 2009 , 12:36am
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you might try fondantsource they have good prices and I am wishing I had just ordered through them.. it would have been half the price I just paid! OUCH!

tonedna Posted 15 Jun 2009 , 1:19am
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Originally Posted by glendaleAZ

Hi Edna.

I just purchased some sweetex today (never used it before) and was wondering what consistency do you frost your cakes in medium or thin. I will also be using your buttercream recipe if that makes a differnece.

Thank you,
Tammy



I use it in a medium to thin for crumbcoat and then medium for second coat. Too thin on the crumbcoat will make the second coat difficult to put on, and too thick will break the cake
Edna icon_smile.gif

cakesdivine Posted 15 Jun 2009 , 1:44am
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Originally Posted by sadsmile

OK this is odd. I saved my last empty can of the good stuff I love so I could compair so here goes. All Based on one tablespoon serving size...

Crisco
Total Fat 12g
Saturated Fat 3g
Trans Fat 0g Falling short of 12g here not adding up.
Polyunsaturated Fat 6g
Monounsaturated Fat 2.5g

CK
Total Fat 12g
Saturated Fat 3g So how does that add up to 12g not even close!
Trans Fat 3.5g
Polyunsaturated Fat 6g
Monounsaturated Fat 2.5g


Pre-Creamed Shortning
Total Fat 11g
Saturated Fat 5g That doesn't that add up to 11g? But it is great
Trans Fat 1g
Polyunsaturated Fat 0g Stuff!
Monounsaturated Fat 0g


I seriously think they are just messing with us here!




All I get with the new transfat free Crisco is buttercream soup! I love CK Hi-ratio, it is wonderful! Maybe it had melted during shipping and re-formed then it will loose it's creaming ability. I had this happen. I sent my mom to pick some up for me from our local cake supply store that just happens to be 30 miles from us...LOL, anyway she bought it in the morning then went shopping in town all day long, I didn't get the shortening until the next day and she had left it in the hot car since she picked it up, it had turned slightly yellow and lost that fluffiness. Had to go back and get more that wasn't left in a car at 101 degrees.

Pre-creamed shortening has Lard in it which means it is from meat fat, not all veggie shortening I swear now by hi ratio!

Kitagrl Posted 15 Jun 2009 , 1:50am
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I recently converted and won't go back.

Started with the CK kind but then went ahead and just ordered the big box of Sweetex. Definitely gets rid of some of that "greasy" film that you might get on your tongue when eating icing made with regular shortening.

cakesdivine Posted 15 Jun 2009 , 2:05am
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I will say though that my family seems to think that with hi ratio it has a more greasy feeling than my original recipe that used crisco. I will try sweetex

Wendoger Posted 15 Jun 2009 , 2:15am
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I LOVE LOVE LOVE my sweetexicon_wink.gif

glendaleAZ Posted 17 Jun 2009 , 6:18pm
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Thank you for the reply Edna.

My Sweetex container didnt have any instructing for storage or give an expiration date. Does it store just like Crisco, and how long does it last?

DollyCakes Posted 17 Jun 2009 , 6:33pm
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There's a big difference! Get a crisco cake out in the heat and you can practically see the oil rising to the surface of the cake. With hi ratio, it holds and as a bonus, doesn't taste like a big lump of grease! We buy ours in 50lb. blocks for $80 from a Dallas cake store.

tirechic Posted 17 Jun 2009 , 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by DollyCakes

There's a big difference! Get a crisco cake out in the heat and you can practically see the oil rising to the surface of the cake. With hi ratio, it holds and as a bonus, doesn't taste like a big lump of grease! We buy ours in 50lb. blocks for $80 from a Dallas cake store.





What Dallas cake store, and do they have it in a smaller size?

DollyCakes Posted 18 Jun 2009 , 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by tirechic

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Originally Posted by DollyCakes

There's a big difference! Get a crisco cake out in the heat and you can practically see the oil rising to the surface of the cake. With hi ratio, it holds and as a bonus, doesn't taste like a big lump of grease! We buy ours in 50lb. blocks for $80 from a Dallas cake store.




What Dallas cake store, and do they have it in a smaller size?




Cake Carousel on 75

StrawberryBelle Posted 30 Jul 2009 , 6:23pm
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[quote="cakesdivine"]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sadsmile

OK this is odd. I saved my last empty can of the good stuff I love so I could compair so here goes. All Based on one tablespoon serving size...

Crisco
Total Fat 12g
Saturated Fat 3g
Trans Fat 0g Falling short of 12g here not adding up.
Polyunsaturated Fat 6g
Monounsaturated Fat 2.5g

CK
Total Fat 12g
Saturated Fat 3g So how does that add up to 12g not even close!
Trans Fat 3.5g
Polyunsaturated Fat 6g
Monounsaturated Fat 2.5g


Pre-Creamed Shortning
Total Fat 11g
Saturated Fat 5g That doesn't that add up to 11g? But it is great
Trans Fat 1g
Polyunsaturated Fat 0g Stuff!
Monounsaturated Fat 0g


I seriously think they are just messing with us here!






Trans Fats are a part of the Polyunsaturated Fats. Don't count them or you will be counting them twice. They are only listed because the govt now requires it because of the health risks associated with them. And the numbers for all the items listed don't add up entirely because they only round to the 0.5 gram.

StrawberryBelle Posted 30 Jul 2009 , 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by DollyCakes

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Originally Posted by tirechic

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Originally Posted by DollyCakes

There's a big difference! Get a crisco cake out in the heat and you can practically see the oil rising to the surface of the cake. With hi ratio, it holds and as a bonus, doesn't taste like a big lump of grease! We buy ours in 50lb. blocks for $80 from a Dallas cake store.




What Dallas cake store, and do they have it in a smaller size?



Cake Carousel on 75




Cakes Amore also carries hi-ratio for $2.75 per pound. Located on NW corner of 75 and Spring Creek Pkwy.

Doug Posted 30 Jul 2009 , 6:35pm
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having seen SO many talk about all it can do, but no HARD data on what to do with high-ratio ...

Would one or more of you sweetex experts please post:

  • conversions from shortening to Hi-ratio

  • suggested starting place recipes

  • guidelines to just how much extra sugar and liquid we can put in.

  • just how long to beat to get a light "flu-fee" product.

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