KitchenKat Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 7:02am
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I was reading two very interesting threads today, one on cupcake pricing and another on wedding cake pricing. On both threads, the same newbie posted rude and inflammatory comments. Not a few wondered if this was a disgruntled customer posing as a fellow-caker out to get back at bakers who mug customers the world over. It got me thinking. Perhaps cc is being too lax - letting just anyone become members. It's a community for people who bake! Surely its not so that cakezillas (bridezillas, birthdayzillas & showerzillas included) can snoop around, stalk and malign our fellow cakers!

I propose that from now on to weed out true cake fanatics from poseurs, everyone registering for membership must complete a quiz to determine their cake knowledge or cake interest. As with driver's license exams, anyone who makes 3 mistakes are denied!

"Question 1: Of these three fondants, which is most likely to be left uneaten on the dessert plate? a) MMF b) MFF c) Wilton

"Question 2: True or False, You are being too sensitive if you do not get asked to make your office's annual Tax Return Celebrtation Day Cake.

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Joke! Just kidding!!! Or am I??? he he he

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JaimeAnn Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 7:50am
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What I don't get to make the tax celebration cake... Well I'm not even coming into the office that day then!!!!!!!! LOL


I do agree that some method should be implemented to weed out the trolls ...

I haven't been here that long but I have been making cakes for a while.. Maybe if everyone had to upload at least one picture of their cakes.. Or maybe if there was like a small one time membership fee to enroll , say $5 it would deter people from just making a profile to flame.. I don't know just throwing ideas out there..

I know my husband is a member of a knife forum and they had problems with trolls until they started the enrollment fee program. It cut it way down.. Trolls aren't usually willing to pay $5 to join a forum they are gonna get kicked off of after their first post.

I understand there are a lot of people out there that are really here for the cake and may not be able to pay the initial fee.. Like I said just an idea..

Or Like you said maybe a quiz ... Can I have your leftover wilton fondant.. YUUUUMMMMMMM

Franluvsfrosting Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 7:42pm
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I'd have flunked the quiz when I first became a member. This site has been my cake education because I was totally clueless when I found it. In fact, it was my desperation over a wedding cake I'd been talked into that sent me on my search for info that lead me here! I'm all for weeding out trolls but bar the door against us clueless newbies who ask the same questions over and over again! icon_biggrin.gif

LaBellaFlor Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 7:57pm
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Hey, I'm a mother of 7 with 1 off to college next year (Uh, YEAH!) I can't afford $5. I say let's do the quiz. The Wilton's one is the most tasty, right? Lol!

Deb_ Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:01pm
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BOOO to TROLLS........especially that "shakeandbake" one from last night, she was just a clueless jerk. thumbsdown.gif

It would be hard to change the membership to a "Pay" one now with all the thousands of members, we'd all have to "rejoin".

But, I would like to see one thing changed and this would be an easy one.

I would like someone to "have" to create an account to be able to read the forums. I don't think it's necessary to have an account to look in the galleries but if they want to read the forums they should need to make an account. That way "lurkers" could be watched.

I also think that some trolls are actually members already under another screen name. If CC limited the number of accounts someone can have under the same IP address then this would eliminate that issue.

In fact they should be able to see that right now, maybe they could delete the newer account and keep the older one. Send an e-mail saying "we noticed you have 2 accounts with us, 1 real and 1 troll" icon_lol.gif

something_sweet Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:06pm
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When I joined this site, I had no idea there was any other kind of fondant than Wilton, let alone ones that don't taste nasty! I would pay a small membership fee for this site. I am also a member of a musician site, it is only $5 a year! But I agree that it would keep trolls from joining. Something needs to be done. =)

tonedna Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:13pm
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The thing is we don't really know who is who, and some people can start a passion just by coming here and looking at the site, and ,maybe they want to start doing cakes

We will never know who the bad trolls are, they are rare..In all the time I been coming to CC I have only seen a few, and they usually don't stay long. The ones that stay are the ones that really care for cakes and have a passion for it.

Seeing how the CC people protect their own people from this trolls is truly amazing, and shows the true quality of the people here in CC.

I say..dont worry about the trolls, at the end of the day, they dont stay for long...They just make us unite more and show we care for the people that are true to this site and how we will protect them...

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Bakerintraining03 Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:14pm
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I am the mentioned troll from before. I lost my account because of the comments I said yesterday. I just wanted to say sorry for offending everyone. I really do love baking and cake decorating and I really am good at it. I think edna's tutorials are great and that she is a genius when it comes to cake. Her stuff as well as many others on this site is terrific. My intention was never to hurt anyone only to have you all rethink what you charge for your cakes especially with the economy the way it is. I know i will get no sympathy from you ladies now; however I have let you know I come from a poor family. People with a small budget should be able to have as beautiful of a wedding cake as someone who has a lot of money. I know everything that goes into a cake. I just don't agree with most of you when it comes to pricing and serving sizes. This is an American based site and I should be able to voice my opinion on cake pricing without being kicked off. I just went to a cake show recently outside of DC and I saw so many amazing cakes there. I saw the way Norman Davis's daugther looked at the cakes that were being made on stage. That is the look i want to see on my brides' faces. Money should not be a factor into whether they can get the cake of their dreams.

newmansmom2004 Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:16pm
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OK, the quiz made me chuckle. And I do agree that the trolls need to be eliminated. I think the best way to do that for now - until a system can be put into place to monitor them - is to just ignore the bejeezus out of 'em. Most of those people come on here just to get a reaction or to get the masses all worked up into a lathering frenzy. When they don't get what they want, hopefully they'll just crawl back into the dirt from whence they came.

Every single forum online has people like that...a very unhappy segment of society that gets its jollies being nothing more than an irritant. Kind of sad some people have to be that way but let's not let them get under our skin and ruin CC for us! thumbs_up.gif

snowboarder Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:20pm

I think Jackie and Heath do a great job of running this board as it is right now. However, there is something that all CC members can do if they don't like something that someone is posted: don't respond.

It's requires zero effort on your part and it's free.

LaBellaFlor Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:25pm

I totally understand about being froma poor family. I GREW UP poor. I'm also Mexican & we have Sweet 15 for our daughter's that rival wedding cost. Can these families afford these, no. Everyone (friends & families) pulls their finances together to amke these happen. Now with that said, my husband had lost his big $18.50 an hr. job and makes less then half that now! We have 7 kids. I no loner work cause of the 3 back to back babies we had & one with special needs. We have scaled back A LOT & my kids totally understand that. They went from staying at 5 star hotels on trips to we don't even go to the movies! They get it. What is my point, you do what you can afford, not what you want. I am not going to change my pricing to where I break even so someone can have what they want. Believe it or not, I have bought ONE PAIR OF SHOES in almost 3 years!. I'm not trying to rake anyone over the coals & for the most part I see very resonible priced people on here, in fact, some people price so low I know they are coming out of pocket. BUt like I said, you pay for what you can afford. Now why people question your legitimate baking skills? Cause NO ONE, & I don't care how good you are, can make frostings, fillings, cake batter,bake, cool, decorate, & assemble a 3-tiered cake in 3 hrs.! NO ONE!

tonedna Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:26pm
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I am the mentioned troll from before. I lost my account because of the comments I said yesterday. I just wanted to say sorry for offending everyone. I really do love baking and cake decorating and I really am good at it. I think edna's tutorials are great and that she is a genius when it comes to cake. Her stuff as well as many others on this site is terrific. My intention was never to hurt anyone only to have you all rethink what you charge for your cakes especially with the economy the way it is. I know i will get no sympathy from you ladies now; however I have let you know I come from a poor family. People with a small budget should be able to have as beautiful of a wedding cake as someone who has a lot of money. I know everything that goes into a cake. I just don't agree with most of you when it comes to pricing and serving sizes. This is an American based site and I should be able to voice my opinion on cake pricing without being kicked off. I just went to a cake show recently outside of DC and I saw so many amazing cakes there. I saw the way Norman Davis's daugther looked at the cakes that were being made on stage. That is the look i want to see on my brides' faces. Money should not be a factor into whether they can get the cake of their dreams.





All i am going to say about this is..I am not rich either, I do know that thats why there are places like Walmart and Publix where people with no money can go and buy their cakes from. I teach to a lot of people that cant afford barely $30 for a Wilton Course. But they learn to do their own cakes.
As for the people who buy my cakes...well... those have the money to afford them. Yet I have some people that know how much work goes into them and they will pay in small amounts till they have payed for the whole cake cause they know the effort that goes and how beautiful it will come out.
As for me... I was one that could not afford to pay for high end cakes...I learned to do them cause of this, and I do my best.
There are choices for people out there..you just take what works for you..

I am not a person to be mad at anyome about anything, and if you ever need help, I will still gladly help...I just hope you understand prices are accordingly to the area you live. Where I live, this is a normal range..
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Bakerintraining03 Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:41pm

Edna that makes sense. To be honest I charge $1.19 a serving and people complain that that is too high. And when I tell them what you guys charge theuy look at me like my head is on goofy. What should I do? I know my work is good and I just hired an artist to help speed up things even more. Honestly, (and you ladies are gonna hate me for this lol) I think wal-mart even overcharges for wedding cakes. I seriously can finish a very good looking cake in three hours. I am not bragging or lying.

Deb_ Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:42pm

Well if we followed this logic I'd be able to call up the makers of Mercedes Benz and tell them they need to lower their price because my daughter really really really wants one but she can only afford to pay them $1000, and I want her to have it so I can see the look of happiness on her face!

That is the most ridiculous piece of Socialist crap I've heard in a very very long time.

I was married 26 yrs ago, and we paid for our own wedding because I'm the youngest of 8 kids and my parents were poor. I couldn't afford a thousand dollar cake so I had a $75 one. The price of the cake doesn't matter. We get what we can afford. People need to live within their means.

Heath and Jackie were right to delete your "cakeandbake" account, they're wrong to allow you to create another one.

Edna, you are very gracious to make that offer...........she doesn't deserve your grace and kindness.

LaBellaFlor Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:45pm

So you actually can, make your frostings, fillings, cake batter, bake & cool your cakes, decorate & assemble them in 3 hrs? Or are you saying you can decorate a 3-tiered cake in 3 hrs.?

Bakerintraining03 Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:49pm

I guess I do have a socialist mentality in a sense. I do believe that everyone should help each other out and that people deserve the best no matter how much money they have. and Edna I do appreciate you being so kind after yesterday. I get so discouraged because my rent is $750 and some months have have to have my parents help me make that. I know my cakes are good but I don't think anyone in my area would pay that much for them and the only way I can stay in business is to compete with grocery store prices.

Carolynlovescake Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:52pm
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This is an American based site and I should be able to voice my opinion on cake pricing without being kicked off.




Your right to free speech ends when you click the "I agree to the terms of agreement" for this site.

Cake Central is considered private property, and their terms of use is their law. If you break their law then by all means you have earned getting your account banned.

LaBellaFlor Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:55pm

I totally believe in helping each other out. That is how my friends & I are surving right now, we are helping each other. But that has nothing to do with someone wanting a Sylvia Wienstock cake with Wal-MArt prices. And you still haven't answered my question on your 3 hr. turn around.

Bakerintraining03 Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:56pm

My bakery is only open for 7 hours and I once made a 3 tier wedding cake in a days notice. It was mostly buttercream with only had fondant accents on it. I put cakes in my big freezer to cool faster..um I don't know exactly how i did it but I opened at 11:00 and the cake was out the door by 2:00. Sometimes people order cakes in the morning and I have them done by the end of the day. I wont lie it is stressful.

tonedna Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:58pm
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Edna that makes sense. To be honest I charge $1.19 a serving and people complain that that is too high. And when I tell them what you guys charge theuy look at me like my head is on goofy. What should I do? I know my work is good and I just hired an artist to help speed up things even more. Honestly, (and you ladies are gonna hate me for this lol) I think wal-mart even overcharges for wedding cakes. I seriously can finish a very good looking cake in three hours. I am not bragging or lying.




I learned a long time when I was doing fashion shows.. to weed people out.. I had this lady who taught me that I was undercharging for my clothes. And I was scared to dead to go higher.
Prices will change from place to place, I dont know where you live.
But you learn to study people...the ones that can pay, look at their clothes look at their rings, to those..do better prices.. and if you do a good job, they will start referring their friends.. And you can start building a clientele that can actually pay for your cakes.
Right now, what you are getting is the people that know that you do low budgets cakes..You have to teach people your work is hard.
I can do a cake in 3 hours, but is already baked..

The thing is, with cakes...in some designs, the easy ones you can make money, where in more difficult ones, with more consuming time, you will loose money. In this business you need to learn that with one you loose the next one will cover from the loss.

I dont know if you work from your house. But when you own a store, there is so many extras you have to pay for, you have to watch the money..Is all in the big picture..if you want to move forward or if you want to stay in a low price range..

Edna

Bakerintraining03 Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 8:59pm

I realize that my right to free speech ends when I click I agree to the terms, however I didnt violate any of the terms. I have read them several times. I want you all to know I love this site as much as you ladies do I just have a difference on what should be charged. I assure you if I charged anything different I would not have a bakery.

LaBellaFlor Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 9:00pm

If you say so. I'm a scratch baker & thers no way I could do all that I have to do for a 3-tiered wedding cake in 3 hours.

Bakerintraining03 Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 9:03pm

Yeah Edna I know exactly what you mean. I do own a shop and I some months I don't know If i will be open the next month. I actually sell ice cream too so I can make up for the money but it still is hard.

Deb_ Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 9:05pm

Can't wait to see pictures.............. icon_rolleyes.gif


You should be pleased that someday you may actually be able to get more then $1 a serving for your cakes. People will not value your work if you don't. You're telling your clients that your cakes are only "worth" $1.18 a serving. If you charged just $1 more, you may be able to make your rent payment a little easier each month.

There's a big difference between someone who "works at a bakery" and someone who "owns" that bakery. I'm not going to get into the specifics, but do you even understand the overhead that we business owners have?

I have a home business so it's not nearly as high as a storefront, however I have a million dollars of liability insurance on my cake business, extra insurance on my van for cake deliveries, utilities, licensing, supplies and the note on the money it took for me to add that second kitchen.

My "profit" comes ONLY AFTER I pay the above mentioned expenses.

Now can you at least begin to understand why I can't make a cake for $1.18 a serving? If not, then please sign up for a small business course, because you have a lot to learn.

tonedna Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 9:05pm
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If you say so. I'm a scratch baker & thers no way I could do all that I have to do for a 3-tiered wedding cake in 3 hours.




I have to agree with this..Un;ess everything is done. A 3 tier cake can't be baked cool down made icing decorated and stacked in 3 hours. I do between 10 to 13 weddings in 2 days..I know all about speed. But all the cakes are baked, and I have someone to help me with torte and fillings and crumbcoats. The cakes are already baked... There is no way...anyone can do a 3 tier cake from begining to end in 3 hours..
Edna

Bakerintraining03 Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 9:10pm

I do have someone help me. And I do own a store front. I am actually very young compared to most bakers. I started my shop at age 18. I have made a 3 tier cake i 3 hours, it doesnt mean i prefer to. I like to give time but I have found in my area that people want it fast and i just do what they want.

Deb_ Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 9:11pm
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Yeah Edna I know exactly what you mean. I do own a shop and I some months I don't know If i will be open the next month. I actually sell ice cream too so I can make up for the money but it still is hard.




Not to be totally disrespectful but I'm really finding it hard to believe you own your own shop and that you only charge what you do. Have you ever taken any business courses? I'm not asking to be mean, I'm just scratching my head here. Your business will not survive if you continue to "low ball" your prices.

Business is business, and the reason someone opens a business is to make a profit. Right? How are you making a profit based on your prices?

My cost per serving is $1.45, so at your price I'd be losing money. Do you know what your cost per serving is?

__Jamie__ Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 9:12pm

Look, here's the deal. You make and sell your cakes any old way you want. We could care less. I really doubt the quality of your work though...care to prove me wrong??

__Jamie__ Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by Bakerintraining03

I do have someone help me. And I do own a store front. I am actually very young compared to most bakers. I started my shop at age 18. I have made a 3 tier cake i 3 hours, it doesnt mean i prefer to. I like to give time but I have found in my area that people want it fast and i just do what they want.




So you trained your customers right from the get go to expect fast cheap cake? Well...there ya go! Mystery solved. Sorry babe, can't get out of it now!

tonedna Posted 25 Mar 2009 , 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by Bakerintraining03

Yeah Edna I know exactly what you mean. I do own a shop and I some months I don't know If i will be open the next month. I actually sell ice cream too so I can make up for the money but it still is hard.





I am going to say, that with the prices you are charging your shop will be in trouble..Im not trying to be mean..I don't own a cake shop cause I have lupus and I could not handle that much stress. I already had a business and I know how hard it is.

The first owner of the shop got tired of making cakes, and all the work it involved. The next owner brought the place almost to the ground cause they didnt know how to charge and they didnt know anything about the business.. The owner we have now, has learned lots...The cakes we make are valuable...If they want an inexpensive cake, there is a publix on the corner..
Why publix can make inexpensive cakes???? Cause they are a big company!...They buy everything in bulk. Their cakes come frozen, everything is already pre done...

We have to do everything from scratch...Where is the difference?...The finish of the cake...the taste!...People do notice this things and they are willing to pay for it if the work is good.

For those who cant pay..publix still around the corner..

Edna

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