Anyone Ever Been Caught Selling Cakes From Home???

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chutzpah Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 10:19pm
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Oh yeah, The most famous Jewish mythology of all time...... The Bible. Full of incest, rape, amorality, evil, killing the non-believers etc.
Bring it on!

Drunken incest: Genesis 19:31,36
Multiple sex partners: Kings 11:1,3
Incestuous rape: II Samuel I 3:1,14
Whoredom: Ezekiel 23:2,20
Adultery: Deuteronomy 28:30
Prostitution: Deuteronomy 22:28,29
Sexual mutilation: Samuel 18:25,27
Forced sexual slavery: Judges 21:7,12 & Deuteronomy 21:11,13
Rape and gruesome sex killing: Judges 19:22,29
Infanticide and abortion: Isaiah 13:16 & Ezekiel 9:6 & Psalms 137:8,9 & Amos 1:13 & I Kings 15:16
Cannibalism: Leviticus 26:29 & Deutoronomy 28:53


..... and the list goes on and on and on and on and on.....

twooten173 Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by chutzpah

Oh yeah, The most famous Jewish mythology of all time...... The Bible. Full of incest, rape, amorality, evil, killing the non-believers etc.
Bring it on!

Drunken incest: Genesis 19:31,36
Multiple sex partners: Kings 11:1,3
Incestuous rape: II Samuel I 3:1,14
Whoredom: Ezekiel 23:2,20
Adultery: Deuteronomy 28:30
Prostitution: Deuteronomy 22:28,29
Sexual mutilation: Samuel 18:25,27
Forced sexual slavery: Judges 21:7,12 & Deuteronomy 21:11,13
Rape and gruesome sex killing: Judges 19:22,29
Infanticide and abortion: Isaiah 13:16 & Ezekiel 9:6 & Psalms 137:8,9 & Amos 1:13 & I Kings 15:16
Cannibalism: Leviticus 26:29 & Deutoronomy 28:53

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..... and the list goes on and on and on and on and on.....




Dang Chutzpah, now I know why you are "nowherenearchurch"! icon_lol.gif

chutzpah Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 10:30pm
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hahaha LOLOLOL ya got that right, lady!

I have actually read the bible about six times, cover to cover and studied it thoroughly!

FullHouse Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 10:30pm
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chutzpah: Remember when it was written and how it is meant to be interpreted now. I don't believe the Christian Bible, which includes the Old Testament is perfect, but if read spiritually rather than literally it can be a wonderful guide. I respect your right not to follow a religion, I wish you would respect others' rights to embrace religion, what counts is that as we all live with morality. I find spiritual comfort in religion and I have a right to do so, I truly hope you find comfort in whichever way is best for you.

janelwaters Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 10:46pm
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I knew when I read the header for this thread that it was going to get out of control and some ungliness would insue, I guess I just didn't think that somehow religion would get involved.....

I guess when you really think about it, this is what makes our country great - we can all have our own opinions and we can all express them freely - I just wish we could all find a way to do it a little nicer.

FromScratch Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 10:54pm
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No book is going to fix the world... it would take people caring more than just themselves, and frankly... a book isn't going to make that happen. Technology (all of it.. not just modern) is the bane of the human existence... not lack of faith. The minute we started using our brains for things other than finding food and shelter we were doomed.

You know what perpetuates terrorist activities in the world??? Religion. Terrorists truely believe that they are being moral in the eyes of their religious beliefs.

mbelgard Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 10:54pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chutzpah

Oh yeah, The most famous Jewish mythology of all time...... The Bible. Full of incest, rape, amorality, evil, killing the non-believers etc.
Bring it on!

Drunken incest: Genesis 19:31,36
Multiple sex partners: Kings 11:1,3
Incestuous rape: II Samuel I 3:1,14
Whoredom: Ezekiel 23:2,20
Adultery: Deuteronomy 28:30
Prostitution: Deuteronomy 22:28,29
Sexual mutilation: Samuel 18:25,27
Forced sexual slavery: Judges 21:7,12 & Deuteronomy 21:11,13
Rape and gruesome sex killing: Judges 19:22,29
Infanticide and abortion: Isaiah 13:16 & Ezekiel 9:6 & Psalms 137:8,9 & Amos 1:13 & I Kings 15:16
Cannibalism: Leviticus 26:29 & Deutoronomy 28:53


..... and the list goes on and on and on and on and on.....




And that's why I won't let my children read it until they're well into their teens. I will encourage them to read it at some point just like I want them to read other god myths.

People should really go through the OT and find out how many people Satan kills compared to how many God kills or orders killed.

twooten173 Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 10:55pm
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Originally Posted by chutzpah

hahaha LOLOLOL ya got that right, lady!

I have actually read the bible about six times, cover to cover and studied it thoroughly!




Ok now I HAVE to know why you read it six times? I've tried to read a book (of the Bible) and can't seem to get through it.

Just for the record, I'm not really surprised that you have.

FromScratch Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 10:56pm
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And as a disclaimer... I have no problem with people having faith. Believing in a higher power is something that some people need and I get that, I just have a problem with organized religion as a whole.

mcdonald Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:08pm
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why does this topic always have to turn ugly?? There are always a few that have to ruin it... I think this was posted as a general question and everyone gave their two cents worth.. some stronger than others.....

I'm going to the cupcake thread... don't want to get in to the whole "legal" vs "not legal" and when it is okay or not....

Have fun ya'll!!!

ThatsHowTcakesRolls Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:11pm
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Also, keep in mind - the bible was written by man - not God. Yes, God was speaking to those that wrote it but unfortunately the interpretation of God's word was not perfect. I agree that organized religion is ridiculous and quite often is used for a profit but, the ideas are sound and quite positive.

The bible does have all those things in that Chutzpa mentioned unfortunately but let's be frank. Those things happen in everyday life, now AND then. Society hasn't gotten any worse than it was we just have more media coverage to illustrate it. Also, as for religion driving terrorists today - that may be true to a certain extent but even in biblical times - radicals misinterpreted the word and that's never going to change. But to suggest that is proof religion should lose its credibility makes no sense...

FullHouse Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by jkalman

And as a disclaimer... I have no problem with people having faith. Believing in a higher power is something that some people need and I get that, I just have a problem with organized religion as a whole.




There, unfortunately, are those who turn religion into something ugly and destructive but there are so many more of us who don't. I lived in NY, I lived there until well after 9/11, a close family member of mine worked at WTC and helped colleagues to evacuate with him, I have friends who worked there, my DF & DH had had frequent meetings on the very upper floors and thank God were not there that day (although both had been within a week of the attacks). My DH was on a bridge nearby and saw the towers just before they fell. We lived in fear of what might happen next. I know up close and personal what atrocities are done in the name of religion and it absolutely infuriates me. I believe anything in the wrong hands can be used for evil, religion as well as anything else in life. I prefer to focus on faith and use religion as a guide for faith.

ThatsHowTcakesRolls Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:19pm
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Originally Posted by jkalman

And as a disclaimer... I have no problem with people having faith. Believing in a higher power is something that some people need and I get that, I just have a problem with organized religion as a whole.



I believe anything in the wrong hands can be used for evil, religion as well as anything else in life. I prefer to focus on faith and use religion as a guide for faith.




Very well said!

banba Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:22pm
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I think we have wondered off topic here?

If someone is working illegally form home that's their decision and they alone bear the consequences.

If someone reports a baker working illegally from home that person also bears the consequences of their judgement.

What's the point in further debate with regard to moral ground? The people involved bear the consequences and the world still turns.

ThatsHowTcakesRolls Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:27pm
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Originally Posted by banba

I think we have wondered off topic here?

If someone is working illegally form home that's their decision and they alone bear the consequences.

If someone reports a baker working illegally from home that person also bears the consequences of their judgement.

What's the point in further debate with regard to moral ground? The people involved bear the consequences and the world still turns.




Very good point...I guess we all got a little carried away. I think that's why they discourage religious discussions because it's such a passionate subject for all...

mamabaer Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:36pm
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A pat on the back to home bakers and legal bakers. This is a very expensive hobby or job. I myself strugle with it all. I donate mine now that I am not "legal". I just fear the fines etc. My home is clean and I take pride in what I do or try and do and would hate always being afraid. My aunt recently passed away of cancer and we had a fundraiser to help come up with the money she needed to be layed at rest and the hd gave the okay that as long as I myself was not getting $ for the baked goods then they could sell them or ask for donations. I was happy with that. I have a relative who made and sold wedding cakes for years (still does actually) and the head of our county HD was one of her biggest orders and she wasn't even legal, never has been either. I guess that was part of being in a small town and they thought there was better things to do. Maybe someday when everything is better we can all make it work out. Good luck in what ever any does or decides. I know baking is a passion and I would hate for anyone to get into trouble for it, that is if they are not putting someone elses health at risk.




This is what cracks me up about the whole messed up system! If it is "dangerous" to sell cakes that haven't been baked in a licensed kitchen, then why the heck is it safe if a charity makes money off of a cake you baked, but not if the home baker makes money off of it!? So stupid! I can take cakes and cookies to church and the cafe there can sell the goods, but I can't sell them on my own because all of a sudden it is deemed dangerous. When you think of it in those terms, it really seems like the government is just trying to stop small businesses from succeeding.

Cakepro Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:43pm
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I can just envision Chutzpah eagerly reading through the threads looking for the word 'Christian" just so she can insert her snarky comments.

We get it. You are faithless. You do not believe in God. You are your own God. You are so anti-faith that you feel the need to make it part of your public identity by posting 'nowherenearachurch' as your location. That's fine. Knock yourself out being as anti-faith as you like....but it would be appreciated by all if you would let this forum be about cake and go fight your anti-religious battles on more appropriate websites. Maybe the Cake Central atheists can make their own Facebook group so you can go talk smack about all of us delusional people who pray to imaginary deities. Buh-bye!

And frankly, those of us who are believers need to stop taking the bait when the atheists make their comments. Ignore the snarky, often antagonistic comments and pray for them. That is the most powerful and effective thing we can do for them.

I usually stay out of these threads but I wanted to see if anyone had been busted for selling from home. LOL, jeez. I guess this is the new twist on the same old arguments. icon_rolleyes.gif

indydebi Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:45pm
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Originally Posted by mamabaer

This is what cracks me up about the whole messed up system! If it is "dangerous" to sell cakes that haven't been baked in a licensed kitchen, then why the heck is it safe if a charity makes money off of a cake you baked, but not if the home baker makes money off of it!?



I also hate inconsistencies like this! Story on the news last night about (Indiana) restaurants are going to have to add nutritional info in their stores/menus *IF* they have more than 10 stores (chains). So it's important for the consumer to know exactly what's in the food .... unless it's a mom and pop shop and then it's buyer beware.

If it's a "health crisis issue" (and what issue that goes thru any legislature ISN'T a "crisis" these days!) for the people who eat in the chain restaurants, then it's a health crisis issue in less-than-10-stores restaurants.

Just. Be. Consistent.

kellertur Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:46pm
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1700 yrs ??... light weights. icon_smile.gif

Hinduism can be traced back 5,000 yrs. If you look at the Yamas and Niyamas (code of conduct), you can see where the 10 Commandments stem from. Not looking for an arguement, but,
"All paths lead to the same place..."

Before anyone mentions the "many gods" theory... we do not beleive in many gods. There is one God, however several avatars (aspects) of that God. icon_wink.gif

4kids Posted 27 Jan 2009 , 11:57pm
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I'm sorry... when did this thread become about religion and not about cake.....

I think you are all treading on an area that will quickly blow up... and lead to yet another sad locked thread. Somehow, I don't think that this is what the OP had in mind as a discussion.....

doughdough Posted 28 Jan 2009 , 12:12am
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Originally Posted by indydebi

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Originally Posted by mamabaer

This is what cracks me up about the whole messed up system! If it is "dangerous" to sell cakes that haven't been baked in a licensed kitchen, then why the heck is it safe if a charity makes money off of a cake you baked, but not if the home baker makes money off of it!?


I also hate inconsistencies like this! Story on the news last night about (Indiana) restaurants are going to have to add nutritional info in their stores/menus *IF* they have more than 10 stores (chains). So it's important for the consumer to know exactly what's in the food .... unless it's a mom and pop shop and then it's buyer beware.

If it's a "health crisis issue" (and what issue that goes thru any legislature ISN'T a "crisis" these days!) for the people who eat in the chain restaurants, then it's a health crisis issue in less-than-10-stores restaurants.

Just. Be. Consistent.




I totally agree!! I also think it's bogus that some states vary so much by county. Talk about confusing the heck out of everyone!!

NuttyNanny Posted 28 Jan 2009 , 12:14am
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Where's the popcorn...no wait...the caramel corn....yum

Deb_ Posted 28 Jan 2009 , 12:32am
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Originally Posted by Cakepro

I can just envision Chutzpah eagerly reading through the threads looking for the word 'Christian" just so she can insert her snarky comments.

We get it. You are faithless. You do not believe in God. You are your own God. You are so anti-faith that you feel the need to make it part of your public identity by posting 'nowherenearachurch' as your location. That's fine. Knock yourself out being as anti-faith as you like....but it would be appreciated by all if you would let this forum be about cake and go fight your anti-religious battles on more appropriate websites. Maybe the Cake Central atheists can make their own Facebook group so you can go talk smack about all of us delusional people who pray to imaginary deities. Buh-bye!

And frankly, those of us who are believers need to stop taking the bait when the atheists make their comments. Ignore the snarky, often antagonistic comments and pray for them. That is the most powerful and effective thing we can do for them.

I usually stay out of these threads but I wanted to see if anyone had been busted for selling from home. LOL, jeez. I guess this is the new twist on the same old arguments. icon_rolleyes.gif




I could not have said it better myself thumbs_up.gif

I'm really quite disappointed in some of the "hateful" and "sarcastic" responses in recent posts. This is a great place to come and kick back and have a few laughs, let's not fill it with anger towards one another. We all know there's enough of that in this big world already, without adding to it. Love Thy Neighbor, ya know?

kellertur Posted 28 Jan 2009 , 12:38am
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Personally, I hate sarcasm and sardonic comments, unless they are playfully self-referential.

FullHouse Posted 28 Jan 2009 , 12:41am
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Originally Posted by dkelly27

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Originally Posted by Cakepro

I can just envision Chutzpah eagerly reading through the threads looking for the word 'Christian" just so she can insert her snarky comments.

We get it. You are faithless. You do not believe in God. You are your own God. You are so anti-faith that you feel the need to make it part of your public identity by posting 'nowherenearachurch' as your location. That's fine. Knock yourself out being as anti-faith as you like....but it would be appreciated by all if you would let this forum be about cake and go fight your anti-religious battles on more appropriate websites. Maybe the Cake Central atheists can make their own Facebook group so you can go talk smack about all of us delusional people who pray to imaginary deities. Buh-bye!

And frankly, those of us who are believers need to stop taking the bait when the atheists make their comments. Ignore the snarky, often antagonistic comments and pray for them. That is the most powerful and effective thing we can do for them.

I usually stay out of these threads but I wanted to see if anyone had been busted for selling from home. LOL, jeez. I guess this is the new twist on the same old arguments. icon_rolleyes.gif



I could not have said it better myself thumbs_up.gif

I'm really quite disappointed in some of the "hateful" and "sarcastic" responses in recent posts. This is a great place to come and kick back and have a few laughs, let's not fill it with anger towards one another. We all know there's enough of that in this big world already, without adding to it. Love Thy Neighbor, ya know?




I realize that I let myself get sucked in with some posts that upset me, I am not angry. I really was trying to respond politely and just bring attention to the fact that we should all, both sides, have a right to our own beliefs as long as we "Love thy Neighbor". This really should be just about cake, not religion. I will now follow Cakepro's wise advice and not take the bait anymore. Happy caking to all!!!!! icon_biggrin.gif

Cakeonista Posted 28 Jan 2009 , 12:46am
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wow i left for a few hours and came back to a totally different thread. well its a shame it went this way but i knew something was wrong from her first response. anyhow we all need to believe in something and GOD help those who do not. have a Blessed evening!

costumeczar Posted 28 Jan 2009 , 12:50am
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This is my most favoritest thread yet! In regard to "snarky" comments, remember that all Christians aren't fundamentalists. I'm Episcopalian, and a pretty liberal one, so I've been told by some of my neighbors that I'm going to hell because I don't subscribe to their version of Christianity. Atheists aren't the only snarky, rude ones, as some of the previous posts demonstrate. Also true that all roads lead to the same place, but nobody knows what that is, so who knows who's right?? Woooooooo!!!! (That was suppsoed to be eerie) Rowan Atkinson did a routine once where he was playing the devil welcoming people to hell, and at one point he said something like "Murderers, sadists, Christians to the left...What? Oh yes, I'm sorry, the Jews were right."

Okay, but seriously, if you're illegally selling anything you take the risk of getting caught, regardless of what it is. Trying to judge why someone got turned in is silly, they get turned in, they get turned in, deal with it. Go get a license and operate legally, then there will be no problems. I understand the reference to being the "christian" thing to do, but I think that you can make the argument that the Christian thing could go either way. Just do what's legal, and if you don't like the law, work to get it changed.

FromScratch Posted 28 Jan 2009 , 12:50am
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I have no animosity towards anyone who makes the decision to be of faith. I was raised Catholic so I know the drill when it comes to religion. I have studied the Christian faith in many aspects as was required of me in school. I have studied eastern religions as well. I don't believe, and that's my thing. I have no problem with others who do. I find that often it's those who do have faith that have a problem with me. I make no judgements about those who believe, yet they make judgements about me. But whatever... I am not going to change their perceptions so I don't waste time with it. I represent a point of view they don't want to ponder and that's fine by me. I have friends who have faith and they have no problem with me not having faith. I think that's great right there.

I do think it funny though when people think that religion is the answer to the problems of the world. Morality isn't based in religion... religion is based in morality. Morality can exist without religion. I am an example of that. I live a very moral life and teach my children to do the same and I have no fear of retribution to blame for my choice to be a good person. I am not saying that people of faith are only good in fear of hell (or the equivalent), just that you don't have to fear going to hell to be a good person. I don't like being looked upon as one who incites. This isn't an us against them thing here... simply differing opinions.

Deb_ Posted 28 Jan 2009 , 12:52am
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What I find sad (and somewhat hilarious) is how this thead "might get locked down", yet there is another thread that is WAY off topic in the Cake Disaster's thread beating the same dead horse again and again ~ probably well over 1,000 pages by now, yet this is different?
There was some serious mud slinging in that thread, yet the idea of "locking" that thread never crossed anyone's mind? I'm all for freedom of speech, I just don't understand what sets the two threads apart in terms of offensive info. (without religion being used as an excuse) Can someone explain the difference to me... in a nice way. icon_smile.gificon_confused.gif




Well, if you're talking about the Officially Embarrassed thread that started in Cake Disasters but got moved to The Lounge, it had well over 2000 posts. I was there from page 1 and there was not any nastiness or mud slinging at all, so maybe that's not the one you're referring to. There was a large group there that actually had a lot of fun the last few days, but unfortunately it was just locked because it had gotten off the original topic. I'm proud to have been a part of that thread because I met a lot of really nice people that will now have a special place in my heart. We had good clean fun and a LOT of laughs. Believe me, it was nothing like this. THIS is sad!

Oh, to answer your original question about why the 2 threads are different.......I'm afraid Religion is just way too personal a subject, same as politics. Any discussion about either one always ends up getting heated, and feelings get hurt. It's just the nature of the beast, I guess.

FullHouse Posted 28 Jan 2009 , 12:52am
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Originally Posted by K2cakes

Personally, I hate sarcasm and sardonic comments, unless they are playfully self-referential.
What I find interesting is how this thead "might get locked down", yet there is another thread that is WAY off topic in the Cake Disaster's thread beating the same dead horse again and again ~ probably well over 1,000 pages by now, yet this is different?
There was some serious mud slinging in that thread, yet the idea of "locking" that thread never crossed anyone's mind? I'm all for freedom of speech, I just don't understand what sets the two threads apart in terms of offensive info. (without religion being used as an excuse) Can someone explain the difference to me... in a nice way. icon_smile.gificon_confused.gif




Excellent point. I can't explain a difference, I can just say that for my taste, this one has gotten a bit mean spirited so whether or not locking is an issue, I just don't want to "take the bait" and feed into it anymore - really, my time would be better spent with my family. I shouldn't have felt the need to stand up for someone's right that they already know they have icon_biggrin.gif. If someone else has something to add, that doesn't bother me either way. Now I REALLY AM going to hang with my kiddos. Have a good night.

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