They Returned The Cake!

Decorating By Shirlcantuck Updated 2 Nov 2008 , 1:59pm by KellJ

Shirlcantuck Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 12:36am
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I am a newbie and I am at a loss! I made a birthday cake for a young lady this weekend. I used the WASC recipe posted on CC. The customer returned the cake saying it was not baked completely. I used 8X3 and baked it for over an hour. I actually thought that it was overbaked. To make matters worse, my husband takes a slice of the cake and states that it is not very good either. I have made this cake for family and friends and they all love the cake. I follow the recipe off of my sheet to the letter each time. I review before combining the ingredients to ensure that I have not forgotten anything. I don't know what to do. I need a good cake recipe; firm enough to carve, yet tastey!!!!

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mcdonald Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:10am
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have you always baked it in a 3" pan? that makes a difference if you have baked in the 2" before. I'm surprised it held up when you iced it if it wasn't done

Shirlcantuck Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:19am
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Yes and no. This is the second cake I have made in this pan, but normally I use a 2". I am trying to get a higher cake. The WASC cake recipe is calls for a lot of water, I wonder if it is just to much.


Kakeladi's *Original* WASC recipe

1 box cake mix*
1 cup all purpose flour
1 cup granulated sugar
generous dash salt

3 whole eggs
1 cup sour cream*
1 to 1&1/3 cup water*
1 Tablespoon flavoring*
*See notes at end

In a bowl, mix the dry ingredietns; a wire whisk helps.
In KA mixer bowl, place remaining ingredients. Add about 1/2 the dry ingred. Mix on low about 30 seconds; add remaining ingred and again mix on low about 30 seconds until all is moistened. Beat on med (#4 or 5) for 2 minutes. I always timed this.
Pour into prepared pans and bake as usual

*Notes:
I always use large eggs. Any cake flavor can be used. Match the flavoring to the cake. For most cakes a mixture of 1 part vanilla, 1/2 part butter flavor and 1/4 part almond is perfect. A 'part' is any measure you want to use be it teaspoon, Tablespoon; cup; quart or whatevericon_smile.gif
I make this up by the cupful and keep on hand for all my flavoring.
Some people have told me they have sub'd yogurt for the sour cream; some have used juice instead of water. I use a glass Pyrex measuring cup & fill it to the brim (more than one cup - maybe about 1&1/3?).
This makes enough batter for: one 12" round; OR 9x13 pan OR two 8" rounds; OR three 6" rounds OR one 10" sq OR other pans I can't think of right now -- the same amound of batter as if you used 1& 1/2 mixes.
Baking time will depend on the size pan you use. Start with 30 minutes. Let your nose be the judgeicon_smile.gif If you can smell it most likely it is done. If it pulls away form the pan it is overbaked.

stephaniescakenj Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:23am
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I use the other WASC recipe that calls for egg whites instead of whole eggs. I replace the almond extract with rum extract and it's been great every time. The only time I didn't like it was when I used almond extract.

jukesbox Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:35am
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That's basically the recipe I use except I use 4 egg whites instead of 3 whole eggs. I had it go bad one time because I used a little too much salt. I didn't like it. From then on, I didn't put any salt in it.

I also use a #7 rose nail in the middle. What temp did you bake it? I know the recipe I use says 325 but I've also baked it at 350 which i think works better for me.

alidpayne Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:36am
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I second what stephaniescakenj said. I use the recipe with whites instead of whole eggs, and use various other extracts but not the almond usually unless someone specifically asks for almond. I ALWAYS get stellar results with this recipe. Was it only underdone in the middle? did it dome a lot? I was having a problem with the middle being a little underdone & domed at first, but some home made bake even strips helped a lot.

kettlevalleygirl Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:37am
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I make this recipe all the time, in fact it is the recipe I use all the time, when I use the chocolate cake mix it bakes nicely. When I do a white /lemon recipe I have to bake it much longer, whether I use a 2" or a 3" pan. I sometimes add 1/2 an hour, and I use rose nails also. I have the oven at 3:35 degrees or so, just a little lower than 3:50....
I have thrown out a few cakes because they were raw....it is something that I have to watch....

sari66 Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:38am
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I just tried this recipe this weekend and used whites not whole eggs and it got raves from my family. Will be using it again next weekend as well.

kettlevalleygirl Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:39am
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I also use the strips, and lower the amount of water, by 1/3 cup...

bathoryjones Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:52am
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with the 3" pan it helps to use a heating core so it can bake from the inside as well as the outside. This will help the center from being not cooked or undercooked. I use my heating core in any cakes 8 x 3 or larger.

iamlis Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:55am
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What? No oil?? Is that right?? The water amount sounds fine to me though, but no oil is strange to me-you should at least put 2 T in for that amount of cake and flour/sugar.

mcdonald Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:56am
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Here's what I do to get a taller cake with the 2" pans. I fill mine 3/4 full. It will sometimes go above the cake pan. Then, when it comes out of the oven, I take it and "tump" it over on a wax paper lines cookie sheet and set something heavy on top and let it cool. This makes a great level cake without having to cut anything off!!! Works every time. Always fill more in your cake pan. My layers are always so tall that I keep thinking about putting in less!!!

jlsheik Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 2:08am
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Originally Posted by stephaniescakenj

I use the other WASC recipe that calls for egg whites instead of whole eggs. I replace the almond extract with rum extract and it's been great every time. The only time I didn't like it was when I used almond extract.




I cut the almond down to half f what it calls for and it does the trick...it is very strong with all that almond in it!!
OP....I have been told that a 3 inch pan needs a heat core...so that it bakes through...that is to much trouble for me so I bake in 2 inch pans!
The WASC recipe anyway you do it is great to carve and of course we all know it's tasty!!
Don't give up...baking is trial and error, but you will get it.
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xswizit1 Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 2:33am
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I am getting ready to bake a cake in the Wilton Long Loaf Pan, which is 16x4x4. Should I use a heat core for this size? I don't think I have one, but I do have a flower nail.

Thanks!

indydebi Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 3:25am
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Originally Posted by xswizit1

I am getting ready to bake a cake in the Wilton Long Loaf Pan, which is 16x4x4. Should I use a heat core for this size? I don't think I have one, but I do have a flower nail.

Thanks!




I've made a few cakes in that pan .... never used a heating core or flower nails. As a matter of fact, it was before I even discovered baking strips and they always came out just fine.

KKC Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 12:30pm
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I use whole eggs in my recipe (i hate seperating eggs) or sometimes i just buy the liquid egg whites. But I would use 4 whole eggs instead of 3 and it comes out fine all the time and tastes great. I didn't see any oil in the recipe you posted???

loriemoms Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:25pm
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Did you by any chance use DH? I know they had a bad batch of cake mix come out where people said they weren't rising right.

I know when I make this recipe, I use less water too, and I use whole eggs. Turns out perfect everytime. an hour doesnt sound long enough though if you are using an non convection oven, if you baked it at 325. In my convection oven at 325 it takes 55 minutes. In my regular oven, it takes an hour and 15 minutes (325)

-K8memphis Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:42pm
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I use self rising flour in this formula and ditch the extra salt & stuff. I like the extra leavening in the flour. But still I like to bake at 350 or 375.

But as for your husband saying it didn't taste right--it does sound like perhaps a bad cake mix which as someone wise has already mentioned there has been a bad batch of DH out there recently. Because even an underbaked cake should taste fine.

abruntz Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 1:59pm
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shirl,
I wouldn't let it make you upset, I was crushed the first time (well its the only time) I was told that my cake wasn't a good one. We all have our moments. keep your chin up I am sure it was the cake mix, those darn things....

projectqueen Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 2:00pm
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Sorry about your cake.

I have had trouble with the 3" high pans in the past, too. I find that you have to bake longer with the 3" and also when you doctor a cake mix you have to bake longer, too.

I will keep my WASC in the oven sometimes for an hour and a half for it to be done all the way through. I use the flower nails in the center.

One way I keep a check on the "doneness" of my cakes is that instead of baking 2 cakes, I bake one cake 3" high and torte it in the middle to fill it. That way I can always have a peek inside the cake to see what's going on and make sure it's baked all the way through.

Keep at it, this has happened to all of us...

ThreeDGirlie Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 2:03pm
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I've made WASC and several variations of it, and it has always been delicious. I usually bake in 9x2" rounds, and they always take oveer an hour to bake at 325. So my guess is that maybe you did slightly undercook.

If this sat for a day or two with a "pudding-like" underbaked center, it could contribute to an "off" flavor.

Or you forgot an ingredient - even with double checking we have all done this a time or two.

Or you had a bad ingredient going in (cake mix, sour cream, a bad egg).

But I don't think it's the recipe.

woodthi32 Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Shirlcantuck

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I am a newbie and I am at a loss! I made a birthday cake for a young lady this weekend. I used the WASC recipe posted on CC. The customer returned the cake saying it was not baked completely. I used 8X3 and baked it for over an hour. I actually thought that it was overbaked. To make matters worse, my husband takes a slice of the cake and states that it is not very good either. I have made this cake for family and friends and they all love the cake. I follow the recipe off of my sheet to the letter each time. I review before combining the ingredients to ensure that I have not forgotten anything. I don't know what to do. I need a good cake recipe; firm enough to carve, yet tastey!!!!



ummmicon_smile.gif you never said what YOU thought. Did you taste it? Did you think it was underdone? You said they said it was underdone and that your husband said it "wasn't very good."icon_smile.gif Was it, in fact, underdone?

Win Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 2:21pm
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I find three inch pans and WASC to be tricky. OP stated the cake was said to be underdone and, I admit, I have gone to torte the cake thinking it was baked through only to find that the very center is denser and wetter looking that the outer core. I have learned over time that if I bake at 335 with strips and a heating core it bakes solid in the center. It takes up to 90 minutes even at that. Over time, I have come to prefer using two inch pans and torting for additional height with this particular recipe. As well, I've used both versions and don't find much difference in either other than using the egg whites is a pain unless I have a carton of "Whites Only" in the fridge. : )

MissRobin Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 2:41pm
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I have found with the WASC recipe, I have better luck baking at 350 than 325. It almost always sinks in the middle baked at 325 versus 350. Then Center never seems to cook and the outer edges are very done.

__Jamie__ Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 2:50pm
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When DO you put the rose nail in? Before baking? Upside down? Doesn't it fall over and sink in to the batter? Been meaning to ask this, and someone's post in this thread reminded me. Never done this before, but think it might help me for doneness as well.

Deb_ Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by iamlis

What? No oil?? Is that right?? The water amount sounds fine to me though, but no oil is strange to me-you should at least put 2 T in for that amount of cake and flour/sugar.




Agree with iamlis.........you skipped the oil, it calls for 2T veg. oil. That's not why your cake was underbaked though.

I only use 3" pans now......definitely use a heat core and bake even strips. Do not overfill your pans and check the oven temp with an oven thermometer.

My 6" round x 3" high takes over an hr to bake at 325 degrees. WASC does take longer than a less dense recipe.

That's why I always torte my cake layers, I want to be sure they are o.k. all the way through.

Sorry this happened, hopefully this client will give you another chance. I'd make her a freebie as an apology.

projectqueen Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 3:02pm
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Sorry this happened, hopefully this client will give you another chance. I'd make her a freebie as an apology.




You know, we have been so busy talking about the recipe that no one before dkelly27 even mentioned the customer. Shame on us.

I think a freebie of some sort is a great idea. If not another cake, how about some pretty decorated cookies or cupcakes with an apology. You wouldn't need a big explanation, but you could simply say that you are sorry the recipe got messed up and you hope she gives you another chance next time she needs a cake.

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dynee Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 3:20pm
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Does anybody else use the toothpick method to check for doneness? I keep a jar with toothpicks in it on my stove. As far as I know I have never had a cake not be done using that method. No matter if I use the bake-even strips or nails, I always double check with the toothpick. If it comes out clean it is done.

MacsMom Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 3:24pm
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I just sold all of my 3" pans. They take forever to bake and I hate using heating cores.

I only use the WASC recipe, modifying it to suit several different cake flavors. I get so many wonderful compliments about my cakes I wouldn't think of using anything else. http://www.recipezaar.com/69630

One gal refused to even try one I made at first because her experience with other fondant covered covered cakes was that the cake had to be dense and she has never liked one because of the texture. But when she finally gave in and tried the cake I brought to the party after hearing everyone elses comments, she was astounded (I don't mean to sound like I have a big head icon_surprised.gif ).

So don't worry about looking for another recipe. Like you I tried several before I found this perfect combination of denseness for carving and moistness for the palatte.

It probably was undercooked as I have undercooked a couple before (but I caught it while torting and re-baked them). The WASC recipe does take longer to bake then you would think.

Sorry this happened to you! There will be more learning experiences as we travel this road in a cake business, but any increase in knowledge is good, no matter how devasting the reason.

I like that Ace of Cakes shows many of their own mistakes, it's always makes me feel better thumbs_up.gif

Bonnell Posted 20 Oct 2008 , 3:40pm
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I used the WASC recipe for the first time last week-end when I did a cake for a baby shower. I also used 3" pans and did a stacked cake. The cake baked for an hour and appeared totally done when I removed it from the oven. It also appeared done when I torted and filled it. However, the bottom tier collapsed in transit causing the top tier to slide backwards. Upon cutting the cake it appeared the middle was a little "doughy". I was ready to never use this recipe again until reading everyone else's comments. Thanks.

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