Hummm, no one here. I'm going on a coffee break too.

What I still wonder about is why can't we agree to disagree and still love each other and move on? I hate to see anyone hurt on either side bad enough to leave. Lets get back to cake!!!! Forgive and FORGET.

I'm omnipresent

my god, sometimes i'm ashamed to be a woman

has anyone noticed that not one of the guys amongst us has spoken up?

death is deep and so profound that it rocks you to your core. i've lost a brother in the line of duty, and now i've lost two babies before i ever got to even know them. i find myself steering conversations into areas that i know will lead to the mention of my brothers name...why? because to say his name makes him real again...makes him part of my everyday world...makes him seem like it's not been 9 years since i kissed him goodbye and thought all was right with my world. god help me, god forgive me, but i need the simple mention to feel better. that does not make me a bad person or even inconsiderate.

i find that i can discuss it more when i am sitting in front of my keyboard with no one to see my tears. i am the strong one in my family, but the anonymity of my computer allows me some release. as stated before by other posters, if you do not like the content, please click out of it. yes this is a cake board first and foremost, but it is also a faceless window that i can type my thoughts, and hopefully see a bit of my reflection staring back.

After 10 pages I wonder if anyone really cares about my opinion, but I will post anyway, since I cannot stop thinking about this thread.

With all due respect, it doesn't seem as if that comment is considerate of the OP's feelings.

And frankly, if you (and I mean a general you, not you personally Janette) are bothered by anyone's avatar or signature line or quote or whatever, move past it for heaven's sake. I am not a religious person and frankly it irritates me to read all the bible quotes that are on here. BUT I would not for one second ask someone to remove it. Honestly, unless it is of a sexually offensive nature, then it is no one's place to ask someone to change it. Something offends you, well that is the world we live in. Move on.

Stepping off my soapbox now

I wasn't going to add to thread, but it has been on my mind for days now. I did not realize that the avatar was of a child that had passed, because that is how my daughter looked when she was born. She also had the cord wrapped around her neck, but by some miracle they were able to deliver her quickly and cut the cord and start oxygen and today she is a vibrant beautiful 16 year old. I still see the avatar as I did then, a picture of a peaceful beautiful baby. No one should tell her to take down this precious picture. To Twooten, I am so sorry that this even became a topic of discussion. May God be with you and bring many blessings your way. I think of you daily since I read this thread, and look at my daughter with a renewed sense of what a blessing a child is. To those that find it inappropriate, I hope you now understand the meaning that goes with the picture. Enough said.

I think this topic has been discussed too much already. Still, here's my two cents...

Here's something I was thinking about today, though...in April of 07 one of my closest friends lost a baby boy. All the tests had been normal and we were so excited when she went into labor. A group of us got together and cleaned up her house and set up the crib and filled up her fridge that night, waiting for news of the baby. The next day we found out that the baby's brain had quit developing in the 3rd trimester. He was born alive, but in a coma that he would never wake from, and his parents had to make the heartbreaking decision not to put him on any sort of life support, and to wait in the hospital, just holding him, waiting almost a week for him to die. I have a picture of him that they took soon after he was born. He was perfect in every way.

This is what I was thinking...he lingered long enough that his parents were able to take photos of him alive. They look just like the newborn pictures we all have of our babies. If someone put up one of those newborn pictures, we'd all admire the baby, whether the baby was currently alive or not. I cherish the photo of my friend's baby, because she had a heart big enough to show me his picture, even though losing him ripped holes in her that still haven't healed.

I think Twooten posted her baby's picture in the same spirit...she wanted to share with her friends here. She didn't get to take pictures of Taylor before he passed away...should she be punished for that?

My thoughts and prayers are for Taylor, Olivia and their families. May God bless all of you!

I didn't even know there was a bad post button, not that I would ever use it.

I may have made offensive post but they started it. I was going on down the road and 'bam' I was slammed. And me being me I just had to turn around and defend myself.

Ok, I'm giving up. I could talk till Doom's Day (which I'm sure is around the corner) and no one gets it.

Can't we all just agree to disagree....

Love the poop avatar Janette!

Janette, I think that's one of the funniest things I have ever seen in my life. What a hoot!
Cakenator, is that the devil from that old food commercial? He's funny too.

Are you calling me a piece of Cr@p?

Not veryyyy niiiice!

By the way Whats, I was the kid with the Ball

I am amazed at how far this has gone..

I have to agree with a lot of people on if it had been something of a religious background this would never have came up and I think it is pretty immature of people to get so worked up over a picture of her son who had passed.. So what if is a dead baby as someone else referred to to him as.(which I do not agree with saying) He is still her child and she has the right to do what ever she wants with his pictures.. I see lots of religious signatures and avatars but I do not say anythings I see avatars not so religious and I still do not say anything... we have a section on here of cakes with dicks and cum coming out of them and people having sex on cakes but that is not considered distasteful???????Really people get over it .... I really do not understand, her photo is not of a baby with tubes and blood it is a graceful picture of a child that his no longer here.

There are far worse things in this world then the picture of a baby that has passed.. Maybe you should focus your attention to something more productive.. and stop worrying about what someones picture is we all have picture for some reason..

Twooten-

As I said before you are an amazing lady... Don't you dare take your avatar picture down, your son is beautiful.

I hope I stood up for you a little, a while back you did the same for me. I don't know if you realized it though.

I hope everyone has a great night!!!

It's hard to read through these posts, be able to see both sides of the coin and see both sides getting slammed. I went through a period of depression in my life, and it was the hardest time I've ever had to cope with.

I've never personally dealt with the loss of a new born, but my best friend had to go through two.

I have had to deal with the death of my mother, and I've known what it is like for people to push everything internally. It's what caused my sisters and I to go 10+ years without knowing why she died. Because my relatives didn't want to talk about it. They still don't.

I do. They change the subject. It frustrates me. But it's their choice.

On the flip side, going through depression is like being stuck in a room with doors that have no handles on the inside and a light switch you can't control. You may have brief reprieves when someone (or something) opens the door, or you may have moments where the lighting in the room is turned even darker by someone (or something) that you have to face. It's a hard thing to get out of.

The unfortunate part about this whole thing...

There is no middle ground in this situation. There is no way to appease both sides.

And neither side deserves to be told they are wrong. They are simply two different situations. And I feel for them both.

Twooten, I think your baby is beautiful and though it pains my heart to know you didn't get to have him as a part of your life longer, I do enjoy seeing his picture in your avatar.

Janette, I'm glad you've decided not to leave. I personally thought your original post was well worded and in no way an attempt to belittle the view point of anyone else. You were just trying to help others understand how it may be effecting other people, that's all.

I see both sides. I ache for both sides. I send my love to you both.

Janette-you've stood up for me in the past, when no one else did, and I loved you for it! Don't leave. I greatly disagree with you here, but we still want you around.

Although, I have noticed recently that CC has become a pretty mean spirited place. I'm not too happy with that.

I am assuming I am one of the ones that you were all up in a roar about janette?? I'm sorry if you took it as me flipping on you. I was just thinking while I was reading your good bye post (glad you are staying btw and I guess if me ticking you off had any part in you staying then I guess I'm glad I did) that they might feel bad for making you leave since you said it was because of their children's pictures. This thread is very heated and is making us all react quite strongly.. I think it's quite obvious that we are on opposite sides of the coin and I didn't mean to offend you on a personal level so please don't send me any ESP curse words..

I am truely glad that you are staying.. I hate to lose any members.. especially one like you who contributes so much.

Truce?

I like your crap too..

Zooie,

Your post is the most intelligent one by far.

My first post was civil and I tried to get others to see it a different side. People are not trying to be mean about it, it is just so disturbing. I wish there was a way to view threads without running across those pictures.

They are both Beatuiful babies. When I see them I see it as a great unjust. So many unwanted babies in the world that end up starving to death and here you have two babies that would have been loved and cared for, so cruel.

The first thing I think of when seeing one of these pictures is a woman in Africa that was buring three grapefruits to feed her children later. The other members of the village would steal them if she didn't. And that is all the food she had for days to come.

Her children survivied only to live in such hardship.

Everything would have just went smooth today if members would have let me leave peacefully. I went from being sadden to livid until I had to make light because there was no where else to go except crazy. I can not walk away when someone has offended me, my instict is to fight back.

Every member of my family (minus DH and children) have died. I have had more grief than I could hold and they may be why I went over the edge. I can't really say which death was the worse, maybe it was my Mother's suicide. Of course I had to blame myself that was only natural.

Here I go, don't we all have a hardship story.

I guess what I wanted to say is that I have seen so much death in my life time I just wished I didn't need to see it on a web-site that I enjoy so much.

The world is dark and ugly I try to find an escape and this has been one of them. Like I said I have meant so many nice people here. When I start feeling like life sucks big time I usually can come here and get a laugh and feel so much better about the world.

It's even funny when people have a cake fight over a cat eating cake.

When I see those Beautiful babies I only think what a crappy world we live in and it saddens me so.

I don't know if this comes across the wrong way but I would never do something to ease my pain by making someone else feel sad.

I am so sorry for the loss of your beautiful baby, I agree, he's a beautiful baby. Out of 5 pregnancies, I've only brought home 3 kids, I only wish I had had a picture of my other 2 kids, they won't ever be far from my mind, or my heart. And I think him being with you on here is great, and who cares what other negative people think. You seem like an amazingly strong woman.

KIDS.....should'nt you all be in the kitchen doing something constructive!!! Way to much time on your hands on a monday!!!
We all have our opinions and we all choose how we share them.

Now....I think Twooten must be just reading all this and shaking her head.
For her I have to say I never saw your avatar until today....when I clicked in. I thought your little angel might have been made out of modeling choc and marzipan.
But I see now I was wrong. I'm over it....I'm wrong alot!!!

Now....for the rest of you... get back to the kitchen this has gotton way out of hand!!!Jeesh!!!