Making Smbc...

Baking By FromScratch Updated 7 Nov 2014 , 10:59am by cazza1

MOBOGAL Posted 17 Jul 2008 , 3:48am
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Thank you so much for posting your pictures. I've been wanting to try this for a while but was intimidated. Your tips made it so easy and your recipe turned out perfect! I also added melted Andes Mint chips to the SMBC and used it to fill chocolate cupcakes. SO YUM. Thanks again for taking the time to make the process so clear!

FromScratch Posted 17 Jul 2008 , 10:34am
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Ooooooh!!! now that sounds GOOD!!! I'm so glad that you had good luck with the recipe and that the pictures helped you with the process. icon_biggrin.gif

NICKY2 Posted 17 Jul 2008 , 5:33pm
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Thanks for the pictures, this was a lot easier then I expected. I canât believe I waited so long to try it. I love love love the texture. Is it supposed to taste like butter? I know there is a lot of butter in it but really it tasted like creamy butter. Did I over or under beat it, not enough flavor? Would the salted butter make that much difference? This is the recipe I used:
4 egg whites
1 cup suger
26 TBL salted butter (that is all I had)
1 tsp Crème Bouquet

FromScratch Posted 17 Jul 2008 , 5:40pm
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The salted butter makes a big difference in teh end flavor. I don't like using salted butter because you end up with a frosting that tastes VERY buttery. Try adding more flavoring though.. it will help. I add about 2 TBSP of vanilla to a recipe that size..

The first time I tried it I used 1/2 salted and 1/2 sweet (unsalted) butter.. then I switched to all sweet and have never looked back. There's really no comparison IMHO. Even with no flavoring, it doesn't taste like a stick of butter. icon_smile.gif Next time use unsalted butter and you will see what I mean.

NICKY2 Posted 17 Jul 2008 , 7:31pm
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Thank you jkalman. I will try both suggestions.

lilthorner Posted 17 Jul 2008 , 7:43pm
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that is alot of butter, in my opinion for the recipe. Elissa Strauss recipe uses 5 sticks of butter for 10 ounces off eggs and 20 ounces of sugar (thats off the top of my head, so it may not be exactly accurate)

NICKY2 Posted 17 Jul 2008 , 7:58pm
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What recipe do you use lilthorner?

FromScratch Posted 17 Jul 2008 , 8:15pm
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26 TBSP of butter is 3 1/4 sticks.. that's not really a lot. Most recipes I have seen call for 4 sticks per about 5 egg whites. I usually use 3, but I have used 4 sticks of unsalted butter per 5 egg whites and it didn't taste like a stick of butter at all. icon_smile.gif

lilthorner Posted 17 Jul 2008 , 10:11pm
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i did figure it to sticks but it still seemed like alot.

I usually use either Elissa Strauss recipe:
20 ounces sugar (2 3/4c plus 3T)
10 ounces egg whites (1 1/4 cup- about 10 whites)
20 ounces butter (5 sticks)

or my recipe from school (tastes good too lol):
1c egg whites (about icon_cool.gif
16 oz sugar
6 sticks of butter

the school recipe is closer to the ratio of butter to eggs, but look at the sugar.

Jeanne, what does your recipe look like?

FromScratch Posted 18 Jul 2008 , 2:00am
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It's posted at the start of the thread, but I usually do:

20 egg whites
4 cups sugar
12 sticks of butter
1/4 c of vanilla

I adapted my original recipe from one that called for 5 EW, 1 cup sugar, 4 sticks of butter (1/2 and 1/2 salted and un), and 2 tsp vanilla. SO I upped the flavoring.. it was better. Then I saw Shirley's IMBC that had 3 sticks of butter rather than 4 and I tried it for my SMBC.. took out one stick of salted butter and liked it more. Then I decided to try it with all unsalted and I loved it.. soooo much better. So I used that for a long time, but one day I was making a big batch and added too much butter and it was beautiful so now I just throw it all in. icon_lol.gif So I use 16 sticks now.

As long as it's unsalted butter it is fine. The minute you use salted butter it starts to taste more and more like butter and less like the SMBC I have come to love.

AKA_cupcakeshoppe Posted 18 Jul 2008 , 3:39am
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the recipe i use has 4 egg whites and 3 sticks of butter. icon_smile.gif

NICKY2 Posted 18 Jul 2008 , 11:55am
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Thank you all for sharing. I guess I have some experimenting to do.

gateaux Posted 20 Jul 2008 , 1:30am
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Thank you so much for sharing.

It looks great.

Good Luck.

MamaLama Posted 20 Jul 2008 , 4:31am
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Thanks for sharing; I will have to give it a try. I don't think I have ever had it.

maimai16 Posted 20 Jul 2008 , 5:02am
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this is so cool... i have to try this recipe and how you ice your cake... thanks for sharing jkalman icon_biggrin.gif

ceshell Posted 20 Jul 2008 , 5:18am
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Originally Posted by jkalman

Have you ever made it both ways and tasted them? Do they taste the same? Buying powdered egg whites would make things easier.. but only if there's no difference in taste. icon_smile.gif

I have! I tried all 3 ways one day for a taste test: fresh ew, carton, and powdered. The fresh is better, but to a VERY small degree, almost imperceptible. Because the difference is SO slight I use carton (first choice) or powdered all the time. Mind you this is because I've been making IMBC so it's the only way to guarantee the food safety. If you use powdered, be warned, it smells AWFUL when you first dissolve them in water, I almost threw them away. But the icing was FINE and I went out and bought more powdered ew!

For the (whopping) 2 times I've done the SMBC method I just used normal ew of course. I've never actually done a value-assessment of fresh to powdered, but I get a dozen eggs at Trader Joe's for $1.49 and a carton of ew ("10 eggs") is $2.50 so actually it's cheaper to use fresh, even if I chuck the yolks. (But folks, the yolks can make a yummmy pudding filling, and they freeze well if you add sugar...but that's a whole 'nother thread.)

Originally Posted by pamconn

I could only get it to soft peak and I whipped it for a long time, maybe I should have tried longer.

I have found that different brands of carton whites perform differently for whipping into meringue. All Whites, for example, didn't whip at all for me personally. However the brand I buy at Trader Joe's always works. It does take longer to get them to stiff peaks, but I'd say if you were able to get soft peaks, then they might have made it the whole way had you persevered (when All Whites didn't work for me, they never got beyond foamy). I also bought a non-All Whites carton at Albertson's once, and those worked fine too. Maybe try another brand...?

Then again I don't see the point in using carton whites if you can get a dozen eggs for less than the carton of whites, since the SMBC ew are cooked to a 100% safe temperature! thumbs_up.gif

pamconn Posted 20 Jul 2008 , 12:31pm
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Thanks for the information. I will try the powdered whites, as I like to have other options. And I'll most definately start freezing my yolks.

I made SMBC with melted white chocolate and boy was it yummy! I didn't even want to bother with cake!

SharonK1973 Posted 20 Jul 2008 , 7:46pm
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I have a question... can you use this SMBC under fondant instead of a crusting buttercream? I've tried it by itself and LOVE it, but I do a lot of fondant work and my clients like a layer of frosting underneath the fondant. I've always felt like the weight of the fondant would just squish the SMBC, not to mention referigerator problems. ??

lilthorner Posted 20 Jul 2008 , 9:07pm
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u can use SMBC under fondant.. when I do it (not often becasue my folks like sweet buttercream LOL.. I chill it first. I use just about the same amount that i would if there was no fondant..roll out the fondant, then get the cake out and cover it.. no smashing.. now if u wait a bit with the cake out and it gets soft like butter, then you will have smashing..

but plenty of people use it under fondant

SharonK1973 Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 1:35am
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hmmm......I'll have to give that a try. Thanks!

FromScratch Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 3:03am
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I use it under fondant all the time too and like lilthorner I smooth it out and pop it in the fridge and then cover it. If you don't chill it the SMBC will smoosh all over the place.

I freeze yolks all the time too.. they have MANY uses. You can add sugar or salt to them depending on what you will be using them for (I'm thinking hollandaise vs. pastry cream). I freeze them in ice cube trays and one cube counts for 2 yolks. Add 1/2 tsp salt or 1 TBSP sugar per 1 cup of yolks.. and make sure you label them so you kow what you have. icon_smile.gif

junny629 Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 12:25pm
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I am new at this and after reading all about the praises of SMBC, I really want to try it. However, I don't have a stand mixers, I just have a hand mixer. Can it be done with a hand mixer since there's no paddle tool for the hand mixer? Thank you.

scotiascrapper Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 1:44pm
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I'm wondering the same thing, I have my grandmothers Mixmaster with 2 paddle, will it work?? I made meringue in it the other day and it turned out lovely.....

NICKY2 Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 2:59pm
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I still can't believe how good this is. I feel a little silly. I have been obsessed with this all weekend. Now I want to make orange creamsicle cupcakes. I see in the recipe you posted that you use orange curd to flavor yours. Would orange gelatin or orange extract work just as well?

SweetResults Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 3:06pm
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Originally posted by fat-sissy in another thread:

French Buttercream Recipe courtesy Duff Goldman, Charm City Cakes, Baltimore Maryland
Show: Food Network Challenge
Episode: Challenge: Elvis Birthday Cakes

10 egg whites
15 ounces sugar
2 1/2 pounds unsalted butter, at room temperature
Special Equipment: 5-quart mixer with bowl and whip attachment, rubber spatula

*Cook's Note: Make sure to have a completely clean and dry mixing bowl when you start your process. Any fat or liquid at all in the bowl will stunt the protein development of the albumen (egg white protein) and you will not have a proper meringue at the end. The results could be disastrous.
Start whipping egg whites slowly in the mixer until foamy. Increase the speed of the mixer and slowly start adding the sugar until all the sugar is incorporated. Once all the sugar is in, increase the speed of the mixer even more and whip until the mixture is shiny and stiff. You now have a meringue. You know when your meringue is done when you pull out the whip, hold it horizontally, and if you have what looks a "sparrow's beak" on the end of the whip.

Replace the whip, turn the mixer on medium and start adding the butter a bit at a time. Once all the butter is incorporated, turn the mixer on high and let mix; depending on the weather, the buttercream could take anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes to form. You will know when it has formed when you hear the motor of the mixer start to slow down and whine a little bit; also, when you first add the butter, your meringue will break down and look weird and this is what you want. When the buttercream is done, the mixture will be homogeneous, consistent, and tasty.

Remove the buttercream from the bowl and transfer to an airtight container. Buttercream can be kept at room temperature for a few days or in the refrigerator for a 1 to 2 weeks, but always use warm buttercream when icing a cake. To warm up the buttercream, put it back in the mixer using the whip or the paddle, and apply direct heat with a propane torch you can find at any hardware store.

This recipe was provided by professional chefs and has been scaled down from a bulk recipe provided by a restaurant. The Food Network Kitchens chefs have not tested this recipe, in the proportions indicated, and therefore, we cannot make any representation as to the results.

maimai16 Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 3:17pm
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i'm planning to use this recipe for my father-in-law bday cake. im just wondering, is it ok to flavor SMBC with peppermint oil? or it will taste horrible? has anyone tried this before? what does it tastes like?

Justbeck101 Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 3:18pm
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I was teaching a young girl the other day and when she came she did not bring enough icing with her. I had some smbc already made up. I decided since she was learning I would try mixing the 2 so we could see if it would still be pipeable. Well, it tasted GREAT!!!! It was a little soft so we only iced the cake with it, but it was really really yummy!

AKA_cupcakeshoppe Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by junny629

I am new at this and after reading all about the praises of SMBC, I really want to try it. However, I don't have a stand mixers, I just have a hand mixer. Can it be done with a hand mixer since there's no paddle tool for the hand mixer? Thank you.

it is doable! I don't have a paddle attachment either. just be patient. my hand mixer actually comes with a stand, i don't use it because it doesn't really mix well when it's on the stand. but when i made SMBC, i just placed the mixer on there and let it run. it WILL come together if you followed the steps and if everything is the right temperature.

the last time i made it, my butter was too cold, so i had to stop for a couple of minutes just to "warm" the mixture up a bit and then went on to whip it. it comes together wonderfully. it's such a great feeling to watch.

junny629 Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 6:04pm
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Thanks cupcakeshoppe, I will definitely give it a try. I am excited to see what happens.

marknelliesmum Posted 21 Jul 2008 , 8:11pm
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I am a newbie and would love to try this recipe but I have several questions which I am hoping you can help with. Hope you are comfy coz this may take a while. icon_redface.gificon_redface.gif

1. I am from across the pond and we don't do 'sticks' of butter -could someone clarify how many grams are in a stick?

2. I know from the previous posts you can use SMBC under fondant - however can it be used in the layers as well as under the fondant? ( I know from a 'taste' perspective it will be a yes but someone mentioned it needs to be refrigerated to prevent it slipping - I am doing a Thomas the Tank birthday cake and due to the shape will need several layers for height, as far as I know you don't put fondant cakes in the fridge once covered so my worry is the layers will slip and the cake will be ruined - I usually use a buttercream similar to the recipe for the American buttercream ( icon_redface.gif I always get complimented on the taste - honest)

3. Can someone recommend a sponge recipe for using SMBC as a dessert type cake - my cake is usually firm so i can cut and sculpt the sponge and would like something a bit lighter for unsculpted work. I know some people use box mixes - I always bake from scratch and would probably not be able to get hold of the mixes normally used - any suggestions would be great.

4. Forgive my ignorance but what is the difference between yellow cake and white cake? I have seen a recipe for WASC but never for yellow cake - i don't know if that is the US equivalent to our normal sponge cake - is the difference taste, texture, versatility or none of these.

5. Whats a sheet cake - is this just a rectangular sponge cake?

Sorry for the mammoth post but you guys are just so inspiring and knowledgeable and i'm desperate to try out some of the suggestions i have found on CC but a lot of the terminology used means nothing to me - we don't have butter sticks, sheet cakes or WASC in Scotland icon_eek.gif . I've done several cakes all covered in fondant but never attempted to vary the sponge recipe so any help you can offer would be fantastic.


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