Deco Paks

Business By chassidyg Updated 31 May 2008 , 12:21pm by drowsyrn

chassidyg Posted 17 May 2008 , 12:37am
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If I buy a deco pak, can I use it anyway I want on a cake, or is it supposed to only be used the way it shows in the picture? Every cake I've seen at any grocer is identical to their picture, and I didnt know if that's the only way you can use it or not.

It's a stupid question, but I dont want to get into trouble.

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mcelromi1 Posted 17 May 2008 , 12:48am
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You can use them any way you want.
The pictures are just 'suggeted use'

Go Wild!! icon_biggrin.gif

drowsyrn Posted 17 May 2008 , 4:56am
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Actually, they do state that you have to make it as close to the picture as possible, even down to the trim colors. They say you can vary just a little bit but it has to look very much like the picture.

sunshine218 Posted 17 May 2008 , 5:17am
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I work at a local grocer we have to make the deco just as it is in the book... Because we all have the same book icon_confused.gif But the local bake shops sell the same deco's with no pics to refer to. Go nuts and make it better thumbs_up.gif

YAYI95 Posted 17 May 2008 , 5:22am
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Thats a good question...I dont think you have to do it the way the picture shows, i think thats more of showing you how it can be used..I've seen known many people to purchase the deco pak and make it their own vision...I agree have fun with it..

leily Posted 17 May 2008 , 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by drowsyrn

Actually, they do state that you have to make it as close to the picture as possible, even down to the trim colors. They say you can vary just a little bit but it has to look very much like the picture.




This is what I have always been told too. They have provided this design as something they approve of to protect their image of the character. And I did work in multiple chain bakeries and was told the same thing in all of them.

joaaaann Posted 17 May 2008 , 2:41pm
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I worked in an 'in store' bakery for a few years a long time ago. I wanted to be different and do the deco differently at times when I was feeling a 'creative moment' icon_rolleyes.gif . I didn't vary too often because I never really had alot of time to think about it since I had to mass produce about 30-50 cakes a day depending on what day of the week it was. One day we had a 'tech' come by( they are the 'on the road and live in motels' decorators to fill the void of understaffed bakeries during the holidays. Paid quite well I might add icon_eek.gif .) Anyhow I asked questions about her job description and had learned alot about 'policies' between the retailers and suppliers as well. The 'tech' explained that there are a team of people in place that are paid for their 'ideas'/creativity for the deco pack kits and there's basically a contract between mfg'r, decorator, supplier and retailer as to how they are to be displayed. All stores are to follow the same decorated look that was 'paid for' and to show same display for consistency. The supplier expects a quota of sales to be met on their product and presentation. The retailer expects the product they purchased to be a profitable product. Once the product is created, produced, and sold beyond the retailer it's no longer their concern. Basically the presented-decorated look for display is something only the store is to follow. That's how it was explained to me and it made sense.

SweetConfectionsChef Posted 17 May 2008 , 10:11pm
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My deco-pac rep told me that the books are just suggested designs.

When you are talking about a large chain bakery with many decorators they have to go by "something" and people come in and order the picture they see. I use the figures as I please....I've paid for the copyright when I purchase them....no one is going to tell me how to decorate it except of course the customer. icon_wink.gif

littlecake Posted 17 May 2008 , 10:37pm
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i have an account with decopac...after you buy them they are yours....my cakes barely resemble the ones in the pic, i think they try to make the pics simple, so just about anyone can do them.

leily Posted 18 May 2008 , 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by joaaaann

I worked in an 'in store' bakery for a few years a long time ago. I wanted to be different and do the deco differently at times when I was feeling a 'creative moment' icon_rolleyes.gif . I didn't vary too often because I never really had alot of time to think about it since I had to mass produce about 30-50 cakes a day depending on what day of the week it was. One day we had a 'tech' come by( they are the 'on the road and live in motels' decorators to fill the void of understaffed bakeries during the holidays. Paid quite well I might add icon_eek.gif .) Anyhow I asked questions about her job description and had learned alot about 'policies' between the retailers and suppliers as well. The 'tech' explained that there are a team of people in place that are paid for their 'ideas'/creativity for the deco pack kits and there's basically a contract between mfg'r, decorator, supplier and retailer as to how they are to be displayed. All stores are to follow the same decorated look that was 'paid for' and to show same display for consistency. The supplier expects a quota of sales to be met on their product and presentation. The retailer expects the product they purchased to be a profitable product. Once the product is created, produced, and sold beyond the retailer it's no longer their concern. Basically the presented-decorated look for display is something only the store is to follow. That's how it was explained to me and it made sense.




Very well put... thanks for all of the information

chassidyg Posted 18 May 2008 , 3:08pm
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Thank you so much! You ladies are great! I cant wait to order some and play around with them!

SweetConfectionsChef Posted 18 May 2008 , 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by joaaaann

I worked in an 'in store' bakery for a few years a long time ago. I wanted to be different and do the deco differently at times when I was feeling a 'creative moment' icon_rolleyes.gif . I didn't vary too often because I never really had alot of time to think about it since I had to mass produce about 30-50 cakes a day depending on what day of the week it was. One day we had a 'tech' come by( they are the 'on the road and live in motels' decorators to fill the void of understaffed bakeries during the holidays. Paid quite well I might add icon_eek.gif .) Anyhow I asked questions about her job description and had learned alot about 'policies' between the retailers and suppliers as well. The 'tech' explained that there are a team of people in place that are paid for their 'ideas'/creativity for the deco pack kits and there's basically a contract between mfg'r, decorator, supplier and retailer as to how they are to be displayed. All stores are to follow the same decorated look that was 'paid for' and to show same display for consistency. The supplier expects a quota of sales to be met on their product and presentation. The retailer expects the product they purchased to be a profitable product. Once the product is created, produced, and sold beyond the retailer it's no longer their concern. Basically the presented-decorated look for display is something only the store is to follow. That's how it was explained to me and it made sense.




Well, I am a retailer of cakes and I have talked to a deco-pac rep many times. I have had an account with them for nearly 4 years and I know for certain that once you buy the product you can use it how you wish. There is no contract or any legal binding measure that says you have to decorate the cake in any certain way. The entire reason deco pac is in business is so cake makers can make cakes with a copyrighted image and do so legally. Once you have paid for the items they belong to you. You absolutely DO NOT have to decorate a cake in any certain way to use a deco-pac product.

korkyo Posted 19 May 2008 , 10:48pm
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HUmmmm.... I called Deco pac directly a couple years ago asking the same quiestion and was told it is to be decorated exactly by the book.

Personally I like to dress it up. icon_smile.gif

SweetConfectionsChef Posted 19 May 2008 , 11:11pm
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So the email I sent to Decopac hasnot been replied to yet. So I called 1-800-decopac and was told the EXACT same thing I was told by my rep....the cake picture they show using the deco kit is merely an idea and once you purchase the kits you can use them on whatever cake design you wish. As I've stated before I have an account with DecoPac and if I was required to use a particular design not only would the rep who opened my account told me, but I would have had to sign some kind of contract/agreement to only use their designs.

littlecake Posted 20 May 2008 , 2:35am
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so what do you guys think decopac is gonna do if they catch you not going by the book?

close your account?...yeah, thats gonna happen....

they make the designs simple so that unskilled decorators...and decorators that only have 10 minutes to decorate the cake, have a very simple pattern to go by.

i guess we better not tear the lil tags off our cushions...we might go to prison....ha ha ha

Carolynlovescake Posted 21 May 2008 , 5:50pm
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I think:

The chain stores have to keep it like the book for consistancy and are told to go by the book adn no variations. (All of Safeway locations needs to look the same etc... )

The smaller bakeries/licensed home kitchens are told by Deco pac it's ok if we vary since we have no other locations to be consistant in our look with.

I've been in a professional bakery environment and Deco Pac would call us on it if they were not uniform to the book.

I've also been in a small bakery envorinment and they say the books for our situation can be a guide and do not have to follow the book.

drowsyrn Posted 22 May 2008 , 12:16am
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[quote="littlecake"]so what do you guys think decopac is gonna do if they catch you not going by the book?

close your account?...yeah, thats gonna happen....

they make the designs simple so that unskilled decorators...and decorators that only have 10 minutes to decorate the cake, have a very simple pattern to go by.

i guess we better not tear the lil tags off our cushions...we might go to prison....ha ha ha[/quote

Having put much time and energy into my business, I do take copyright and trademark laws seriously. I am at home now not at my shop, but I will look at the back of the index cards I receive when I order a decopac set because I believe that is where the statement is written that it has to look very simular. I don't think it matters if you are a bakery chain or a small business, it pertains to everyone.

I, or I should say no one can use just any picture or figure of a character and sell it to the public. The companies who own those rights (the characters) have a few designs that are legally for use by bakeries to sell. If a customer comes in and wants their cute invitation of Winnie the Pooh copied from my photo machine and transferred to a cake, sorry I can't do that legally. Just as you can not (legally) put my logo that I paid to have trademarked on a cake and sell it.

So yes, a huge fine or worse could be infringed if you break a copyright or trademark law. It doesn't matter if you do this out of your home or have your own shop, know the copyright laws. They apply to all of us.

It's not as simple as tearing the tag from a mattress.

littlecake Posted 22 May 2008 , 1:22am
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have you placed an order with them yet?

i been with them for years....i'll be looking forward to your findings...

why not call them and see if they care if you design the cake different?

then let us know what they say....

drowsyrn Posted 22 May 2008 , 3:40am
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Yes, I've placed multiple orders with them. I believe it is written on the back of the index cards that come with the sets. I will find it when I am back at my shop on Friday. I wouldn't take the decopac telephone rep's opinion as my final answer on this one! As we have read here, they have given quite opposite answers to people.

Truthfully, I have the three ring binder book on my counter and very few customers order from it. It actually just keeps kids busy while the parents order a cake (not from the book). icon_lol.gif

BrandisBaked Posted 25 May 2008 , 5:51pm
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So what's the verdict?

SweetConfectionsChef Posted 25 May 2008 , 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by BrandisBaked

So what's the verdict?




I'm still waiting for a reply to my email so I can copy and paste it here. They probably think it's such a ridiculous question....after having an active account for nearly 4 years I probably do sound pretty stupid asking something I was told by my rep when I opened it. thumbsdown.gif There is NOTHING anywhere that says you have to make the cake exactly like the pictures...the pics are to market their product and show what can be done.

littlecake Posted 25 May 2008 , 8:54pm
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well i checked my book...and the instruction cards...not 1 word about using their design .

i mean it's just common sense to me...you have already paid for the copyrighted object....the people got their money, unless you do something that they find objectionable...like say putting mickey in a pornographic type cake...(no offence intended to those who do pornographic type cakes)...but that would not be representing mickey mouse....

decopac is in the business of making money, not policing their customers...just my 2 cents.

Monkess Posted 26 May 2008 , 1:41pm
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I agree- not everyones skill level is the same either so they cant force you to produce what in their opinion is acceptable. Moreover sometimes the customer wants it a certain way, which might not necessarily be the same as Deco Pac intends, I mean it is the customers cake right? icon_biggrin.gif

drowsyrn Posted 30 May 2008 , 3:07pm
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Okay, this is driving me nuts! The only thing I have found is this printed under a dinasour cake for decopac.

'© 2006 DecoPac This cake is reproduced under copyright or trademark license, therefore no changes can be made.

WARNING: Choking Hazard - Small Parts. Not for children under 3 years.'


When I opened my shop five months ago, I ordered a large inventory (decosets) from decopac and that is when I read that the cakes have to look like the picture...down to the colors of the trims! They said you could make the writing what ever color you wanted though. I remember thinking, "wow, that's crazy!".

So, that's the rule I have been following because I know I read it from them. I will look in my files in the shop and then I will give up. icon_cry.gif

SweetConfectionsChef Posted 30 May 2008 , 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by drowsyrn

Okay, this is driving me nuts! The only thing I have found is this printed under a dinasour cake for decopac.

'© 2006 DecoPac This cake is reproduced under copyright or trademark license, therefore no changes can be made.

WARNING: Choking Hazard - Small Parts. Not for children under 3 years.'


When I opened my shop five months ago, I ordered a large inventory (decosets) from decopac and that is when I read that the cakes have to look like the picture...down to the colors of the trims! They said you could make the writing what ever color you wanted though. I remember thinking, "wow, that's crazy!".

So, that's the rule I have been following because I know I read it from them. I will look in my files in the shop and then I will give up. icon_cry.gif




They are talking about the licensed character being reproduced. You can not copyright a cake. I am so tired of this thread...I'm not watching it anymore. Someone asked ONE simple question and people keep chiming in with their thoughts instead of the actual facts...it's driving me nuts. thumbsdown.gif

Mike1394 Posted 30 May 2008 , 3:28pm
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At the store I buy my supplies from, they sell the deco pac kits. They don't sell cakes. I've never bought one of the kits. I would think if I bought one of the kits I could use them in any fashion what so ever.

Mike

littlecake Posted 31 May 2008 , 12:08am
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Well...I'm living on the edge...don't even try to stop me....I'LL TAKE YOU DOWN WITH ME.....

I do anything i dang well please with them....AND...I've been known to buy out the dollars stores strawberry shortcake and spongebob...and princess figures...when they are only 1 dollar....

THEN.....WHEN NO ONE IS LOOKIN.....I'll sneak into the shop....in the dead of night............and .....put them on the decorated cakes.....sell them to my customers....and if i'm feeling nice....and sometimes i am....i'll pass the savings on to them.

IF I GO TO PRISON...SWEETCONFECTIONSCHEF....will you PLEASE come out of retirement....and bake me a cake with a file in it???????

drowsyrn Posted 31 May 2008 , 1:41am
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[quote="SweetConfectionsChef They are talking about the licensed character being reproduced. You can not copyright a cake. I am so tired of this thread...I'm not watching it anymore. Someone asked ONE simple question and people keep chiming in with their thoughts instead of the actual facts...it's driving me nuts. thumbsdown.gif[/quote]

I thought that is what we did on this discussion board; discuss not only facts but our thoughts too. For all of you that care, I sent this email last night and got this response today from decopac. Now I'll be done with this thread too. thumbs_up.gif

Hello Denise,

Yes, you are correct. The licensed character cakes have to be designed the same as the display pictures. Please feel free to call DecoPac customer service at 1/800-332-6722 for further questions.

Thank you,
Cecily Lewis

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:48 PM
Subject: Contact Form filled out by Denise H. Quality Cakes

Name: denise h. Quality Cakes
Subject: decosets
Email: denisern@
Comments:
Please tell me if the decosets must be designed closely to the pictures? I know I have read this somewhere but can't remember where? Please email me the answer.

littlecake Posted 31 May 2008 , 5:12am
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Originally Posted by drowsyrn

I wouldn't take the decopac telephone rep's opinion as my final answer on this one! As we have read here, they have given quite opposite answers to people.





ok

drowsyrn Posted 31 May 2008 , 12:21pm
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Just a comment stating I received the email. I thought it was simply interesting.

I can see this is now a power struggle icon_rolleyes.gif so off I go to a new thread.

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