Cookie4 Posted 13 Oct 2006 , 5:36pm
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I am making some netting and can't get to a store that carries Sugarveil before tomorrow evening. Does anyone know how to make a Sugarveil type product? Your help would be greatly appreciated.

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JanH Posted 14 Oct 2006 , 12:54am
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Hi and Welcome,

Here's a thread that will give you that info and more:

http://www.cakecentral.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=32371&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=sugarveil&&start=30

mddm13 Posted 14 Oct 2006 , 1:26am
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I know this does not help you but when I was at OSSAS this past week there was a cake that had beautiful delicate lace. I asked her what she used since I used sugarveil (without the pen its hard to get thin) she said she got a revipe for a flexible pastillage from a lady in Africa. I asked her for the recipe and hope that she sends it. So there are things out there.

hannah123 Posted 1 Aug 2013 , 11:41am
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Someone should make a flexible icing because the sugarveil icing just isn't fit for purpose not in the uk

it may work well in the American climate but not here no way, you can try and try but its no good, ive tried every room in my house and even tried the garage to get it to set properly just wont have it, and when it looks like you have managed it half an hour later its gone all sticky again and stuck solid to the grease proof the stuffs a joke ive left it for 1day 2days 3days 4days 5days all with the same result it peels from the mat no probs then it picks up a bit of humidity half an hour later and bang  its stuck to my fingers its stuck in my hair on my clothes lol I swear down the stuffs a joke, I can only guess the guys using this like on utube or either in the usa or they have climate controlled rooms or perhaps adding something I bought 5 packs of sugarveil tried 4 packs and binned the last bag couldn't bear the tears any longer. 

olubola Posted 1 Aug 2013 , 12:38pm
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Ah, I am really grateful someone spoke out. I am in the UK and have experienced the same with 4 pkts. I thought it was me or my property or location. Would be interesting to find out experiences of other users of the product.

Rita Farrell Posted 1 Aug 2013 , 5:00pm
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Yes I am from Yorkshire and have experienced the same problem, I have to agree with Hannah the product isn't designed for the British climate unless you have air conditioning that could make a difference, I stopped trying some time ago.

SeahorseSweets Posted 28 Aug 2013 , 3:48pm
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Have any of you tried this: http://www.crystalcandy.co.za/index.html  It claims to be better in high humidity...

Shasha2727 Posted 14 Sep 2013 , 9:45pm
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I live in near a lake in the swamps of Central Florida, well, not actually IN the swamp, but I have had alligators walk down my street more than once, so pretty darn close. It's usually 90% humidity or higher here, and I have just finished making my first Sugarveil lace & it worked fine, so I'm thinking you may have bad product. I had a pkg. of Sugarveil that had to be 3 years old, and mixed it according to directions, and 'smeared' (for lack of better word) finished product as thinly as possible into a CK Lace Mold thats made for fondant (not the official Sugarveil lace molds at $75 each). I let it dry overnight, and the next day I peeled out beautiful flexible lace. 5 days later it's still pliable. I used the lightest possible spritz of a commercial bakery non-stick product wiping off any excess, then used an offset spatula to lay a thin bit of wet SugarVeil into the mold, and then worked it back & forth to be sure every nook & cranny had a very thin layer of product in it; THIN IS IMPORTANT! I let it air dry in a 78F degree room for about 18 hours until no longer tacky to touch, and it peeled out beautifully!  Now I'm going to try the home made recipe (follows here), but if it doesn't work, I WILL buy more SugarVeil, as a little bit goes a very long way. The powder is relatively cheap, it's the nice dispenser, a $220 single use device, and the molds/mats at $40-$75 each that are just waaayy too expensive. I also used the SugarVeil in a piping bag w #1 tip and made netting & line drawings of flowers and figures onto parchment that had been sprayed with a trace of non-stick then wiped w paper towel to remove excess (otherwise the SV wouldn't grab onto the paper), and 12 hours later I peeled off perfect flexible "doo-dads" for decorating that I could stretch, bend, etc. I want more!

 

FLEXIBLE PASTILLAGE (or MOCK SUGARVEIL)

1 T Tylose

1/4 c boiling water

1 T conf sugar

2 t cornstarch

1/2 t meringue powder

1/2 t corn syrup

In mixer bowl, combine Tylose & water, mix until completely clear.  Then add the other ingredients one at a time in the follwoing order, blending well after each addition.

Conf. sugar, cornstarch, meringue powder, corn syrup.  When all is added, beat on medium high for 4 minutes. Store in ziplock bag with all excess air removed or SV will dry out.  Pipe to make webs,nets, flower outlines, or use molds, and dry well. If the finished items become stiff, soften them by placing a slightly damp towel over item for a very short time. Store finished items in airtight ziplocks.

 

I HAVE NOT TRIED THIS YET! So I don't know if it works, buy I plan to try it soon, and will report back with results.  Good luck!

shanter Posted 15 Sep 2013 , 12:04am
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http://cakecentral.com/t/676017/great-new-royal-icing-idea

 

http://www.ehow.com/how_7779119_make-flexible-royal-icing.html

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiZkit_jZkU

 

http://www.crystalcandy.co.za/crystal_lace_icing/crystal_lace_icing.html (South Africa)  I thought it was also sold in England, but I can't find that one.

specialoccasionsuk Posted 26 Sep 2013 , 2:42pm

Hi 

Ok I tried this the 1st time I thought the recipe asked for 1lb of icing sugar big mistake lol...  Ok so second go wasnt much better it was very thick and lumpy so added more water I have tried it in my mat and did kinda work albeit thick but was brittle so will have to wait for a tutorial to find out were Im going wrong... 

emilyg Posted 28 Sep 2013 , 3:53pm

Hopefully I can offer a bit of assist here. First of all, here are some really helpful details when working with SugarVeil in humidity: https://www.facebook.com/notes/sugarveil-icing/sugarveil-icing-in-humid-conditions/115755021801759.

 

In humid climates, you need to dry out the air in order to set SugarVeil - easiest way is to just turn on a nearby oven, or to allow a fan to blow across the decorations. If using the Confectioners' Mats, you can sprinkle them with a dusting of cornstarch before spreading. When the decorations are set, be sure to place them in a zipped bag to keep the humidity out until you are ready to use them.

 

Interestingly, humidity ends up offering many benefits - as long as you dry out the air to set it, SugarVeil stays flexible almost indefinitely.

 

Please do voice to us any questions which might arise as you work with SugarVeil - we are more than happy to assist. The fastest way to get an answer is via our Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/sugarveilicing. Or you can email us at info@sugarveil.com.  Thank you!

Mel37 Posted 29 Sep 2013 , 9:33pm

AI'm in the UK too. I can't comment on Sugarveil as I've not used it, but I have used Cake Lace by Claire Bowman, and it's great - you set it in a really low temp oven. It worked perfectly on my first go.

I noticed tonight though that Lakeland are now selling their own brand version which I will be interested to try...

cupcakemaker Posted 29 Sep 2013 , 10:18pm

AI've just ordered the lakeland one to try!

trina1 Posted 30 Sep 2013 , 6:01am

Awesome thread, am posting to follow, thank you

wedtemp Posted 11 Oct 2013 , 8:03pm

AHi has anyone tried the lakeland brand, and if anyone knows what it's called. .thanks

bunnykins Posted 11 Oct 2013 , 8:22pm

AThe Lakeland brand is called something like magic icing, I've quizzed them about it before I bought it and it was very very similar to sugar veil and worked fine in my sugar veil mat

cupcakemaker Posted 11 Oct 2013 , 8:24pm

AI've bought mine, not played with it yet.

Margaret393 Posted 11 Oct 2013 , 8:29pm

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Originally Posted by wedtemp 

Hi has anyone tried the lakeland brand, and if anyone knows what it's called. .thanks
The Lakeland brand is called MAGIC ICING POWDER and is gluten free.
Mel37 Posted 12 Oct 2013 , 8:05am

AI haven't tried the Lakeland magic icing yet, i will as soon as my current one runs out though - I have a Lakeland round the corner so would be fab if it's good! Website has a couple of good reviews so far, so fingers crossed!

Mel37 Posted 13 Oct 2013 , 1:40pm

AFYI as its sort of related, I just found out from another thread that Cake Lace mix now comes in premixed and pre-coloured tubs! Including black, gold and silver! :)

It's a bit more £ but I will be getting the black for sure to see what that's like, if it saves me covering my kitchen in black paste colouring it can only be a good thing LOL! :-D

http://www.cakelace.co.uk/index.php/cake-lace-c-13

Godot Posted 13 Oct 2013 , 1:52pm

ALol! I read that they'll be at the NEC, if you're attending.

Anyone know if the Cake Lace product contains gelatine?

Mel37 Posted 13 Oct 2013 , 7:31pm

AYep I'll be at the NEC on the Friday :) I didn't know Cake Lace would be going though, so that's fab news!

I checked my pot and there's no mention of gelatin on the ingredients - its got wheat starch and e440 (pectin I think) listed as thickeners, so no good for coeliacs. I'll be trying the Lakeland one for a GF variant.

CakeChemistry Posted 13 Oct 2013 , 9:31pm

AJust jumping in on the thread so I can follow updates cheers guys x x x x

Old sid Posted 22 Oct 2013 , 11:50am

AHi, I have tried Lakelands Magic Icing numerous times and not had A failure yet.It makes sugarveil and sweet lace amateurish.Easier to mix And finished product is superb

SugaredSaffron Posted 22 Oct 2013 , 1:55pm

ANo gelatin in Cake Lace, I bought a tub of the pearl/silver at the cake and bake show. Claire was fab in person.

gscout73 Posted 23 Oct 2013 , 4:47am

Have you tried the oven-setting option for Sugar Veil? I was looking in the Sugar Veil sight a couple of days ago and there is an addendum that says you can put the silicone mold in an oven for 10-12 mins set at 175F.

 

That may help with your climate issues. I am in Florida, USA which is very humid. I am going to try this over the weekend and am hopeful it will work.

blwilley Posted 10 Nov 2013 , 12:47am

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Originally Posted by mddm13 

I know this does not help you but when I was at OSSAS this past week there was a cake that had beautiful delicate lace. I asked her what she used since I used sugarveil (without the pen its hard to get thin) she said she got a revipe for a flexible pastillage from a lady in Africa. I asked her for the recipe and hope that she sends it. So there are things out there.

Did you ever get hold of this recipe?  We really need it!  Thanks

mddm13 Posted 10 Nov 2013 , 1:12am

Here is what I got but I have never tried it.

 

Flexible Filigree

 

1 table spoon Tylose

¼ boiling water

Dissolve Tylose in the water until clear

 

Mix the following ingredients together and then pass through a sieve.

1 tablespoon powdered sugar

2 teaspoons cornstarch

2 teaspoons royal icing

½ teaspoon icing color white/white (I used Wilton’s)

1/8 teaspoon glucose

 

Mix the Tylose mixture with the sieved mixture and then pass through the sieve again, Can add a little water… too much will make the lace loose it’s shape. Place lace pattern under clear vinyl and use a tip 1 or 2 to pipe on design. Lines will diminish as it dries. Let design dry without being sticky before trying to remove it from the vinyl. Can cover with plastic wrap and it will remain flexible for several weeks.  Keep the unused mixture in the fridge for later use. It is fairly difficult to pipe with, but the results are the best. 

emilyg Posted 11 Nov 2013 , 2:16am

Hi gscout - Just caught this thread. Here are the oven setting instructions for SugarVeil (check the oven temperature - note that above 135 degrees F will bake SugarVeil): http://www.sugarveil.com/mat/SugarVeil-Confectioners-Mats.pdf. 

 

And you are right, these oven setting instructions are also particularly good for humid areas.

 

Let me know if I can be of further help - many SugarVeil photos and techniques are in the 'Albums' section of 'Photos' here: http://www.facebook.com/sugarveilicing. Thank you!

Margaret393 Posted 15 Nov 2013 , 4:55pm

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Originally Posted by wedtemp 

Hi has anyone tried the lakeland brand, and if anyone knows what it's called. .thanks

Hi wedtemp the Lakeland brand is called Magic Icing Powder

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