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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:29 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

I can't believe how my day is going. I baked a 14" round cake last week and froze it. It was a chocolate version WASC. Took it out of the freezer, let it thaw, unwrapped it and started to torte it. Well, your local village idiot (me) decided to buy the large Wilton cake leveler...it destroyed my cake to the point that I couldn't save it! I don't know why I thought that I could get something descent from Wilton! Crying or Very sad So, I bake a new cake, using less eggs because the first cake sank a little and I didn't want that happening again. Well, it didn't help, still sank and now I'm stuck with a cake that has absolutly no structure! It's crumbly and I'm afraid that if I try to torte it (by hand of course) that it'll just fall apart.

I sent dh to the store for more sour cream...any suggestions? This is the first time I've tried baking a cake in such a large pan. My oven temp is spot on. The first time I used a flower nail, second time I didn't...no difference in cook time. I used 3 whole eggs in place of the 8 egg whites. Should I use four this time?

Sorry about the long rant and all the questions. This baby shower cake is due tomorrow and Im so exhausted! I want to cry! Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:35 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

anyone? Please?
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:02 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

When I'm making the chocolate version, I substitute the eggs for egg whites one to one and don't have any trouble with it sinking. One thing that has helped my chocolate version of this cake is to switch to milk or creamer instead of the water called for. For some reason it makes the crumb better and it is a really dense stable cake. I also find that I have to cook this chocolate version much longer than the white version. Perhaps it's falling apart because it isn't all the way done in spots. I usually use the tooth pick test and then I lightly press in the cake top in various places. If my finger dent doesn't spring back quickly, then it's not done, no matter what the tooth pick says.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:33 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you so much! Very Happy A friend of mine also suggested to exchange the water for milk. I just put it in the oven and I'll let you know how it turns out. It's gonna be an all nighter! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:35 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

Actually when you make the chocolate version you should use coffee instead of water... and whole eggs instead of egg whites...
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:41 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

The first time I made the choc version was for the communion cake I did and it turned out fabulous! I followed the recipe exactly as written except used choc cake mix. This time I had to make a double batch, so I went w/ whole eggs (8 of them) and the cake sank...otherwise was fine and fixable. But, when that darn leveler demolished my cake, I had to rebake. I only needed a single recipe this time, so I replaced the egg whites with 3 whole eggs. The cake still sank and ended up crumbly. Confused

This time I followed the recipe using the whites and milk...hoping it'll work out like it did w/ the communion cake.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:47 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

Many possiblities for the cake sinking.. it's not the eggs I don't think..

temp too low... sometimes 325 is to low for the type of cake..

Don't open oven door..

temp of oven is fluctuating (sp) tooooo much.. or seal of oven door is broken causing temp to drop ..
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:50 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

It'a a new oven...seal is fine. I was thinking maybe 325 is to low...but then I hear people say they always bake at 325. Confused I'm not touching the door! It's wierd, half way through baking, the cake is level and fine (we have a light in our oven to see) and then it starts to sink. Should I turn up my oven temp a bit?
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:52 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

Where is the recipe for the chocolate version of the WASC cake? That sounds divine!!
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:56 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

Smile

Try bumping up to 340.... Also even though a new oven.. it might need to be calibrated again.. mine did Very Happy .. just a thought... get yourself a therm. for the oven just to check.. even 2 cheap ones..

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Shwee ... sub choc. cake mix for white... instead of egg whites do 6 whole eggs... sub 2/3 of the flour for cocoa powder and sub all of the water for coffee Smile HTH's
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:02 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

Well, supposedly you just substitute chocolate cake mix for the white, but now I'm hearing of all of these other versions and am a bit confused as to which one is actually the best. It sounds like there's a # of ways that work for different people.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:14 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

sub for the coffee .. it makes a BIG difference.. enhances the chocolate flavor Very Happy .. and make sure you sub for some of the flour the cocoa Smile
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:40 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok....it sank again! Crying or Very sad I'm totally ticked! Mad Dh went back to the store to get more cake mix. I'm gonna level this one and use it for the bottom layer and make yet another cake and use it for the top layer (assuming this one sinks too).

I've never had this happen except w/ this size pan...what's the deal? It's perfectly level until the last 10 minutes or so and then total sinkage! Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:52 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

Did you use a heating core?
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:57 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

How deep are you baking your cakes? Seems to me the cake isnt done in the center. As for the wilton leveler I used it for years and never had a problem make sure you use it as a saw. Though its not the best product in the world its usually operator error. If you have the money get an agbay but if you dont use it right you will have the same problems no matter how much you spend.
Good luck!
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