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momma28
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:38 am |
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Ok I had a sad email this morning from a brides mother who came with her for a tasting last Monday. After the tasting they said they were going to call me this week with a final decision on whether they needed a sheetcake to go along with th wedding cake for extra servings. I said that I would collect the deposit then and they agreed. My deposits are non refundable, says it in my contract.
So back to the email, the mother of the bride emails me this morning that the wedding has been cancelled and that her daughter is distraught. She asked that I hold all her information in case they reconcile because they were set on using me. I write back and say how sorry I am and that I will be praying for her daughter in this difficult season.
They did not sign or give deposit so its not really relevant to this case but it made me think. What if I had let them go ahead with the deposit last week (and settle the sheet cake issue later). I would feel terrible not refunding that deposit after only a week when the bride is greiving. My dh said that if it had gone any longer it could have cost me another wedding on that day so the deposit is compensation for holding the day.
Any thoughts? Have any of you experienced a cancelled wedding and how did you handle it?
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jodibug0975
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:48 am |
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How about telling them that if you fill that date with another booking you will refund the deposit? |
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leah_s
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:54 am |
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I typically have between 2 and 6 cancel in a year's time. Non-refundable means just that. Once you sign on the bottom line, you don't get your deposit back. For any reason. Says so right in my contract, right by that line you initialed acknowledging you heard me say "The 25% deposit you are putting down is non-refundable for any reason. If your wedding is cancelled, talk among yourselves, but you will not be getting this money back." |
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xkfayex
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:02 am |
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most contractual statements are made to a large audience or clientelle (sp?). you dont write out a new contract every time you meet with a client or customer.
not every customer is the same and every order is not the same. so sometimes you have to be tough and keep your foot down when it comes to things in a contract. but in your heart of hearts if you truly feel right refunding them, then feel confident in your decision.
you set prices and guide-lines so you dont get taken advantage of. changing YOUR rules is up to YOU. so i hope this helps and helps you keep an open mind about it.
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KHalstead
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:02 am |
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so this is a what if? You didn't actually collect any money right??
I would be inclined to return the deposit after only a week, but I guess it really depends on how close the wedding is.
I have in my contract that
3. _______ Cancellation Policy : If you cancel your wedding cake order with less than 3 months notice, you will not be refunded any of the money already paid, if you cancel with more than 3 months notice you will be refunded any money that has already been paid minus your initial deposit. The deposit amount will be considered restitution for other cake orders that may/may not have been turned down in order to accommodate your cake/s. In the event that Tina’s Sugar Shack should need to cancel this agreement for any reason ,all money paid including initial deposit, will be refunded within 14 business days.
contractually I wouldn't HAVE to give them the deposit but if I hadn't turned down any orders I'd probably do it anyhow, because I'm nice like that Lol |
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Mike1394
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:10 am |
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As long as you don't lose any monetary value, why not refund. Now that being said, if you spent hours with the bride, and then they cancelled, Oh yeah they would be charged a fee for it. If you lost a booking, or spent, time, and money on supplies of course they lose.
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chefjulie
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:21 am |
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For me, non-refundable is non-refundable. HOWEVER, in the even of a cancellation more than 2 weeks before the event, the deposit can be used on a future cake order. |
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cakesdivine
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:26 am |
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I had a bride tell me their wedding had cancelled when their final balance was due...come to find out one of her guests was also a friend of mine, the wedding wasn't cancelled at all, they had a family friend offer to do the cake as a gift, I stupidly refunded the money before finding out the wedding was still on. So now I don't care what your excuse is...NO REFUNDS means NO REFUNDS! |
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momma28
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:30 am |
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no i didnt collect the deposit at the tasting, my choice, because they had not decided on the total number of servings. they had decided on the main cake but were undecided about a sheet for extra servings.
It just got me thinking what would be the right thing to do if I had collected the deposit one week ago instead of saying "Let's wait until you have the number of servings needed set"
If memory serves, pretty much everything related to a wedding has a non refundable deposit. I guess for this very reason, weddings do get canceled and then you are out the time you spent desinging the cake, the tasting (I actually bake the flavors of the couples choice fresh for each tasting, I know im nuts) |
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momma28
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:33 am |
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| cakesdivine wrote: | | I had a bride tell me their wedding had cancelled when their final balance was due...come to find out one of her guests was also a friend of mine, the wedding wasn't cancelled at all, they had a family friend offer to do the cake as a gift, I stupidly refunded the money before finding out the wedding was still on. So now I don't care what your excuse is...NO REFUNDS means NO REFUNDS! |
THAT IS HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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KHalstead
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:36 am |
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I bake fresh for each tasting too and what I do now is charge $20.00 for the tasting and then apply that amount to their final balance of their cake if they order, if they don't order then at least I've covered my expenses and time spent making samples. |
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momma28
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:41 am |
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| KHalstead wrote: | | I bake fresh for each tasting too and what I do now is charge $20.00 for the tasting and then apply that amount to their final balance of their cake if they order, if they don't order then at least I've covered my expenses and time spent making samples. |
I just started charging $25 for the tasting with that amount taken off the cake order if they order. I usually have to travel for the tastings and I live rurally, it was the gas cost that made me start charging. |
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KHalstead
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:27 pm |
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I charge $1.00/mile one way if I come to them (which normally I do) if they're not in my town, that amount doesn't get applied to the cake costs and they always understand. So far my booking rate has been 100%, but I got a call once that sounded like a bunch of giggling teenagers and on the spot I told her it would be $20.00 for 4 servings of up to 4 flavors of cake and filling (4 flavors total) and she said, well couldn't I buy a small cake for less than that? I said, yeah, but it won't have 4 flavors OR filling for $20.00!
She said she'd call back and never did, I had a sneaking suspicion it was a sleepover or something and they wanted free cake......from that day on I thought "hey, not a bad idea to charge anyhow then if they still order, then I'll make it free"
So far it has worked great! Not one bride has complained (I guess everyone else charges $40.00 or more for their tastings and it's all done as a group thing so they don't get one on one time with the cake decorator all the time either.
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cakesbycathy
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:40 pm |
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For me, non-refundable means NON-refundable. I would make an exception in the case of the death of either the bride or groom, but honestly, if they called back the week after they made the deposit there is a very good chance that the money has already been spent  |
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indydebi
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:26 pm |
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non-refundable is non-refundable. I'm not a savings account where they can deposit money and then change their mind and withdraw the funds when they choose.
Here is my blog on why deposits/retainers are non-refundable. Pay particular attention to the large paragraph in which I address the "potential" argument of "but you haven't incurred any costs yet!" http://cateritsimple.blogspot......l/deposits
Oh yes I have darlin'! The minute I answered your phone call, I had a phone bill to pay. The second I replied to your email, I had a monthly email/website maintenance fee to pay. During either of these transactions, I had the lights on and a bill that goes with it.
Read the blog.
And I've had a bride cancel her wedding and wanted her money back. I emailed her the section of her contract that said "deposits are nonrefundable". She came back and said she paid MORE than the regular deposit, so shouldn't she get at least that much back? I emailed her the section of the contract that said ALL paymetns are non-refundable.
I never heard from her again. |
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