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littlecake
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Joined: Sep 18, 2006
Posts: 2315
Location: the fine line between genius and insanity
Birthday: Nov 21
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:44 am |
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we got a crazy spy on this site that combs thru the posts and gets herself involved in things that are none of her business, she will get in touch with people if you leave any personal info on here.
i wonder if this is what happened here, op has only posted today.
we know the decorator, she has been trying to do the thing that would be good for all involved in you remember her prior posts.
i wonder if our lil "here for the cake, not the drama"...emailed op
she's done it before. |
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FullHouse
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Joined: Oct 08, 2008
Posts: 615
Location: USA
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:53 am |
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Okay, so my curiousity got the better of me and I just HAD to check both posters photos. I see which ones much be causing the issue, as they each have a few identical photos posted  . I can also see how the photo editing matches all of the other photos of one member  . |
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Deb_
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Joined: Aug 16, 2008
Posts: 4645
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:02 pm |
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Shill, you took the pictures of cakes YOU decorated then you CAN do whatever the heck you want with them. OP you have no right to HER pictures.....sorry. |
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Deb_
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Joined: Aug 16, 2008
Posts: 4645
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:06 pm |
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| towncrierbakery wrote: | | Finally,thank-you for all your feed back and postive words. There were no lies told or being spiteful. Permission was never given to put these photos for a custom cake buisness. At that point the op was only make cakes for friends and family due to licensing. We would want the same respect that op would want since she is very cut and dry. I am sure that would be she same way for her. This is business and nothing else. Just like other post that were made about the bakery, I was was only looking for some advice and nothing else. Same here I really wish the same success you wished us. Thanks to all for you kind words and such. |
I'm confused.....aren't you the OP |
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towncrierbakery
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Joined: Jul 21, 2009
Posts: 21
Location: 29 Peddlers Lane,Lahaska, Pa
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:38 pm |
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I am sorry for the error with posting, your right about he said,she said. I am going to put this to bed. Thank-you for all your help in this matter. It can get a little intense. |
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costumeczar
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Joined: Oct 18, 2007
Posts: 3428
Location: Henrico VA
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:40 pm |
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| Mike1394 wrote: | Hmmmm sounds like panties are in a bunch because they need to hire a new decorator.
Mike |
yep |
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CakeInfatuation
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Joined: Mar 19, 2008
Posts: 445
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:51 pm |
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Okay.. I really appreciate the support but there's a fine line between support and things getting out of hand.
The OP might have used bad judgment but that doesn't make her a bad person. I felt the need to clarify a few issues but they have been clarified.
Despite all the issues that arose when I worked at the bakery. I really did like who I worked for. Which is one of the reason's I found it so hard to cut ties and go a different direction.
We all make mistakes. Myself included. It doesn't make us bad and it certainly doesn't mean we should be attacked. Hopefully it means we've learned something and we can go forward as wiser individuals. |
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Texas_Rose
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Joined: Feb 26, 2008
Posts: 4808
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:55 pm |
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How many of you got a PM from towncrierbakery the other day?
And since they won't let it drop, here's something I've been wondering about...
Do you remember that awesome jacket cake that Shill made a while back? This is her description of it:
| Quote: | | I'm sooo thrilled with how this cake turned out! I had to do this cake for my job at the bakery. The customer ordered a zebra print jacket on a dress dummy/mannequin to feed 6-8 people! WOWZA! That's a lotta money for a little cake! Anyway... he was absolutely thrilled! My boss told me that all he cares about is that people say "Holy Shxx" when they see the cake. |
And then a few months later we read that she's getting in trouble because it's taking too long for her to finish a cake.
This is the PM that I got from towncrierbakery and I bet a bunch of you got it too:
| Quote: | I just realized that shill was posting this one sided events. We never lowered our standards we are a family run bakery that could not afford to apay one person 14 -18 hrs to decorate justt one cake. We would be out of buisness in no time. There is alway two side to a story. We have been unfairly portarayed in this matter. We never ask to be put on her blog she did and we paid her well for a fee also.
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It sounds like in the beginning they wanted to draw customers in with the really showy cakes and then once they started getting customers for them, then wanted those cakes churned out like sheet cakes at a Walmart. Detail takes time...and the time issue was discussed to death in the other thread, not bringing it up here, but what's up with not caring how long it took before, then it being the central issue now?
And I don't understand the point in advertising using those photos if no one working there now can make the cakes? |
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AverageMom
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Joined: Mar 08, 2009
Posts: 418
Location: Canada
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:57 pm |
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You know what works REALLY WELL? Talking things out in person, face to face. NOT airing grievances on the internet, being passive aggressive, and trying to stir up drama.
CustomCakery: Kudos to you for your attitude in all of this. |
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Ruth0209
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Joined: Aug 09, 2007
Posts: 1181
Location: Scenic Idaho
Birthday: Feb 09
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:14 pm |
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| kakethings wrote: | | I am about to to get my store front and in my contract to be sign at the time of hire I want there to be no picture taking of cakes. And I don't want the customers taking photos either, they take them with their phones and take the photos to somewhere else for a cheaper price.I also want in my contract something similar to this company that demo for sam's club, they make you sign a contract if you miss a day they take $150.00 out of your check for each day. It keep you from up and quitting, I have worked as a bakery manager, I have been stuck out to many times and I want to try and cover my self with these time consuming cakes. |
That doesn't sound legal to me. Are you in the U.S.? Do you work in an "at will" state if you're in the U.S.? If so, people can quit any time they want, and an employer can discharge an employee any time they want for any reason or no reason, with or without notice. I don't think you can charge an employee for not showing up. You just don't pay them. Maybe you can do it with an independent contractor.
I'd sure run that by an attorney who specializes in employment law before you do anything that violates any labor laws. |
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Mike1394
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Joined: Feb 20, 2008
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:41 pm |
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| kakethings wrote: | | I am about to to get my store front and in my contract to be sign at the time of hire I want there to be no picture taking of cakes. And I don't want the customers taking photos either, they take them with their phones and take the photos to somewhere else for a cheaper price.I also want in my contract something similar to this company that demo for sam's club, they make you sign a contract if you miss a day they take $150.00 out of your check for each day. It keep you from up and quitting, I have worked as a bakery manager, I have been stuck out to many times and I want to try and cover my self with these time consuming cakes. |
Good Luck with rules like that. Not expecting to hire top talent are you?
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Deb_
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Joined: Aug 16, 2008
Posts: 4645
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:45 pm |
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My take on this whole situation is....town crier bakery is no longer employing this decorator therefore they won't be able to offer her cakes any longer.
The employee decorated those cakes and took pictures of them therefore she should be able to post them on her site. It is HER work, not the work of town crier bakery.
I say put YOUR pictures of YOUR decorated cakes back on YOUR site. |
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costumeczar
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Joined: Oct 18, 2007
Posts: 3428
Location: Henrico VA
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:59 pm |
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| dkelly wrote: | My take on this whole situation is....town crier bakery is no longer employing this decorator therefore they won't be able to offer her cakes any longer.
The employee decorated those cakes and took pictures of them therefore she should be able to post them on her site. It is HER work, not the work of town crier bakery.
I say put YOUR pictures of YOUR decorated cakes back on YOUR site. |
I have to agree with this...If you took the picture, it's your picture to do what you want to do with it. If you did the work, then it's representative of your work, not your employer's work.
Legally, you own the copyright to the picture that you took. Ethically, you're showing pictures of things that you created yourself, so there's nothing wrong with that. As a customer, I'd have more of a problem with the bakery putting pictures of your work on their website if they can't provide that style of cake anymore. |
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all4cake
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Joined: Jul 02, 2006
Posts: 4444
Location: NC
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:32 am |
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| Ruth0209 wrote: | | kakethings wrote: | | I am about to to get my store front and in my contract to be sign at the time of hire I want there to be no picture taking of cakes. And I don't want the customers taking photos either, they take them with their phones and take the photos to somewhere else for a cheaper price.I also want in my contract something similar to this company that demo for sam's club, they make you sign a contract [b]if you miss a day they take $150.00 out of your check for each day. [/b]It keep you from up and quitting, I have worked as a bakery manager, I have been stuck out to many times and I want to try and cover my self with these time consuming cakes. |
That doesn't sound legal to me. Are you in the U.S.? Do you work in an "at will" state if you're in the U.S.? If so, people can quit any time they want, and an employer can discharge an employee any time they want for any reason or no reason, with or without notice. I don't think you can charge an employee for not showing up. You just don't pay them. Maybe you can do it with an independent contractor.
I'd sure run that by an attorney who specializes in employment law before you do anything that violates any labor laws. |
Seems doable if the person were salaried. Definitely a problem if it were tried on an hourly associate. |
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Texas_Rose
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Joined: Feb 26, 2008
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Location: San Antonio, TX
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Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:43 am |
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| all4cake wrote: | | Ruth0209 wrote: | | kakethings wrote: | | I am about to to get my store front and in my contract to be sign at the time of hire I want there to be no picture taking of cakes. And I don't want the customers taking photos either, they take them with their phones and take the photos to somewhere else for a cheaper price.I also want in my contract something similar to this company that demo for sam's club, they make you sign a contract if you miss a day they take $150.00 out of your check for each day. It keep you from up and quitting, I have worked as a bakery manager, I have been stuck out to many times and I want to try and cover my self with these time consuming cakes. |
That doesn't sound legal to me. Are you in the U.S.? Do you work in an "at will" state if you're in the U.S.? If so, people can quit any time they want, and an employer can discharge an employee any time they want for any reason or no reason, with or without notice. I don't think you can charge an employee for not showing up. You just don't pay them. Maybe you can do it with an independent contractor.
I'd sure run that by an attorney who specializes in employment law before you do anything that violates any labor laws. |
Seems doable if the person were salaried. Definitely a problem if it were tried on an hourly associate. |
As long as the pay doesn't work out to less than minimum wage, the employer can withold money for various things. They are not likely to keep employees very long that way. I have worked for places that didn't let you call in sick before and it really sucks...worked while having a miscarriage once and another time I couldn't get off work early enough to go to a dentist (tried for a week and a half but I was working 5 am to midnight every day) and got a major infection that put me in the hospital. I wasn't let off of work to go to MIL's funeral either. After that I have never worked for a place that was so inflexible and unreasonable. I'm not a machine, I have a life and sometimes things come up...and when I was a manager, I understood that my employees would have emergencies or sick kids or other issues from time to time. |
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